Watch a couple of my videos.
For those of you who filter
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Watch a couple of my videos.
awyala
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I see filtering and lane splitting as my little reward for freezing my as out there while the cagers are so comfy inside their cars sipping on their camomile tea - Effort equals reward
Once they start using the passing lane properly and obeying the rules of the road, I will stop lane splitting and filtering
Never once experienced cage rage in cold (sub 5 degrees) or raining weather; that's when the cagers feel it is worth sitting in traffic as opposed to being whether beaten. In those instances they feel they have the advantage. It's an envy thing, nothing more nothing less. It is not a culture of "me first" on the part of the filterers, it is an issue of "me more" on the part of the ragers! When they are satisfied that they have the better end of the stick they are quite content, whether they are first or last in the line.
Bro, there is no lane discipline in this Country.
Cops don't care either, the one sat in his squad car every morning at DVP/401 watches all the "me first" drivers that use the whole of the merge lane to butt into traffic.
awyala
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Splitting on the Gardiner videos?
I was always curious how you process the sheer volume of videos you must generate on your rides?
Where do you find the time and data storage?
1) Traffic is not more akin to that when stopped at a red light. The through traffic is all stopped, all waiting to go, in order, when the signal permits it. The ultimate destination of each motorist is irrelevant.
2) the point of passing is not to let the most important, arrogant, richest, or fastest to get their first. It's to allow motorists to get around slow moving or stopped vehicles that would otherwise impede the flow of traffic. A line of vehicles stopped at a signal is not impeding the normal flow of traffic.
I think most of us, whether we filter or not, recognize that it's done because the bike will fit and we can probably get away with it. Just remember when you filter your way through traffic mere inches from those vehicles, you pretty much give up your right to complain when you stop at the next light and one of them pulls up beside you inches from your handlebars. We demand respect from cagers because we're supposed to be given the same rights and space as other motorists, then we send the message that "if you can fit in a space, it's fair game".
I watched someone lane splitting through stopped traffic on the Gardiner this morning. The same Hyosung I sent the friendly heads-up about his headlight. Headlight works, but judgement I'm not too sure about. Maybe it's called filtering, though, because the traffic was stopped at the time? Or is it only called filtering when you're moving to the front at an intersection? I understand the concept of distinguishing between lane splitting and filtering, but most other motorists won't, because it's the same to them, and it's really just a way to justify one when you haven't gone all the way to the other.
Splitting on The Gardiner, passing in the merge lane and breakdown lane, running red lights.....
That's what the merge lane is for - you drive in it until you find a safe spot to merge, not pass people on the right, and NOT stop at the beginning of the lane and block the whole flow of traffic in two lanes. I hate when people stop in the middle of the merge lane and block everyone else from driving in it. And of course "me first" attitude of the idiots who will not let people to merge.
Trouble is a lot of drivers that are already on the highway, move back into the merge lane to leap frog the congestion.
Our merge lanes in this Country are far too long, which adds to the traffic snafu.
.... and not to run to the end of and beyond, then force your way back into the traffic flow. Every day I see dozens of drivers make absolutely no reasonable attempt to merge, until the very end of the lane, which screws things up for EVERYONE.
That's an interesting observation. I've driven in most of the provinces and several states, and it never occurred to me. I've only been in buses and taxis overseas, so I really haven't paid attention. Were you comparing to the U.S., or is this really a North America vs UK/Europe/Asia kind of comparison?
Torcida
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During the summers, I drive a big rig for a major food company hauling heavy to most grocery stores. From a trucking perspective, I feel those lanes are more for us to be able to build enough speed to safely merge into traffic and not impede the right lane. With a full load it can take me a long time to build my speed to 100. Many times merging onto the 401 in places like Oshawa it can be really scary for me when the merge lane is suddenly so short and I am forced onto the highway at 50 kmph against people going twice my speed. I also don't feel that merge lanes are particularly long here in Ontario, it's just we seem to notice people abusing them frequently which leads us to questioning them.
awyala
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In almost every respect I agree with you, that traffic in general is not one massive queue, but that there are occassions where queues arise. However, the principle applies, if there is available space, it is up for grabs, as long as it is safe. This rule is enshrined in the HTA in several instances, where there are exceptions it is stated, such as diamond lanes, shoulders etc.
And again you are correct, if you pull up closely to another vehicle at the light, expect to be pulled up closely to at the next light. Fair is fair, I agree. If there is room to pull up next to a car, there is likely for there to be room for a car to pull up next to a bike. I expect this and dont shy away from this. As I say, at a light I pull waaaaay over in the lane and leave room for this outcome, also as a precaution if a driver were to run the red or be distracted.
When you consider the "line" at Tim Horton's analogy at a light, consider that a light situation is not 3 finite lines. The law makes it legal, space permitting to have 4 or more lines even if there are 3 lanes. A "line" is defined as sufficient width for a vehicle. A motorcycle is also defined as a vehicle. So if there are 3 lanes, and 3 "lines" of cars, but space for another line of motorcycles, this isn't "butting", this is like Timmy's opening another cashier for "cash only" buyers. Ever had that happen at a store? Only certain people can get in that line while others are stuck in their original lines paying with a card. Ever notice the "express 12 items or less line"?!?! Yep another instance of "butters" eh? No!!!! Consider the "cash only" and "12 items or less" lines, the motorcycles of the Tim Horton's / grocery store traffic jams.
Still think it is a "me first" attitude?
So two cars, or two lines of cars, stopped at a red light and there is enough room for a smart car to squeeze through to the front of the line.
You approve?
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The U.S primarily, off and on ramps are in general half the length of ours. The U.K is a different world compared to here.
There's a lot of inconsistency.
Some are 100' long, others are a mile long.
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Speaking of which, what WOULD make that guy move? I have never seen him actually go after anyone. Or do you think it is the "there's the teacher you better behave" thing where he sits so he does not have to chase people.
In Tim's, or a grocery store or Service Ontario if you want to count the dealer counter, express lines or lines based on the type of payment or service sought are set up so that customers meeting specific criteria can use them.
On the roads: nexus lanes, diamond lanes, bus lanes, bicycle lanes all apply to motorists, motor vehicles or vehicles that meet specific criteria and therefore, yes, they are special. In fact, the nexus users pay more for it.
I would argue that space being "up for grabs" is not enshrined in the HTA in this context. It is not addressed explicitly. This is why I mentioned the perceived difference between lane-splitting and filtering. There seems to be a position from the filtering proponents that filtering is so different from lane-splitting that it is acceptable, while lane-splitting is not.
Apart from the law, there are social behaviours and expectations (such as the use of signals even when not required by law) that exist in our driving environment. This thread is full of discussions about how other motorists react and what they think.
I prefer to recognize the space beside each vehicle within a lane as off-limits - and that's how I want the space beside me to be treated. If we use it beside other vehicles, we lose it beside us. That's a tremendous shift in a direction that doesn't appear to be supported by the majority of riders or motorists (simply based on my own observations, discussions and threads such as these).
I don't think car works in that example, and maybe not even a trike or sidecar rig, because even though the HTA may be silent on some things, a vehicle still must be driven as nearly as may be practicable entirely within a single lane (s154). For a car to squeeze between two others it would likely be straddling the dividing line.
they should simply make it legal! like MANY other civilized countries outside NA!
