E bikes rampaging Toronto streets

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Like i mentioned, most of the riders in sauga are late 30s and higher. Not too many crazy youngins in the hobby. A lot of them will test limits of speed, brake, turns, and a handful of them will also be taking them offroad making them even better on paved surfaces.

In toronto there's more of a mixed bag but there are a few that have the top model (inmotion p6) that can reach 150km/h in a "safe manner"
It's weird to explain but it's kinda like the difference of taken a naked motorcycle to 150 vs taking a super sport to 150, erhmm on a track. One feels like you're being tossed around by the wind where as the other one feels planted. And at that level the suspension is also decent quality.

Last weekend there was supposed to be a demo of the other high powered wheel but the dude got stopped at the customs and couldnt come, but a lot of the riders ended up meeting up and still riding.
And then weekly there's a practice in sauga along with (if the weather permits) a small group ride to get newbs accustomed. Also sometimes if you're good/confident enough people let you try their wheel.


Honestly other than the fact that it doesn't require licensing, this gives very similar vibes to the moto scene. You'll have idiot squids ruining it for everyone (saw a group of 50+ on lakeshore wheelieing, taking over all lanes, in the opposite direction when i came back from that event) and those that will ride without causing much distraction/destruction lol
 
GreyGhost said:
I have no idea on the oz situation. If it's similar to the Canada situation where it's a free-for-all and electric mobility users are the worst drivers/riders on the road often completely ignore all laws while operating vehicles that can't legally be operated in public, they brought it on themselves.
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Yep - maybe worse in the big CBDs. Loose import rules ...complete free for all prompting the rather draconian crack down.
Fuel shortage making it worse.
Trying to navigate my way to a legal eMoped with the correct mix of speed and range and price.
Getting there in all those parameters tho range still a bit short. I'll continue to ride the miserly CB500F until the tech changes arrive. Seeing that now in price terms....range still short.
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Dirty Frank said:
Not wanting to say anything political but...
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Echoing Dirty Franks comment about politics:

I there anything annoying that doesn't have its roots with corrupt or inept politicians?

Toronto will have a similar problem. Inept politicians with no foresight let a problem fester to the point where modest means can no longer treat the situation.

For Ontario, fix it in stages. You can't have one rule for Toronto and another for Mississauga. May we have your attention Dougie?

Stage one

1) Announce the changes giving time to set up systems and compliance.

included:

2) All powered vehicles must be licensed regardless of power and usage. Handicap wheelchairs included but operators with a doctor's certificate get theirs free.

3) All dealers must be licensed and comply with a mandatory training program to accompany all sales.

4) All riders must have completed a mandatory training program.

5) To start with, the MTP would be similar to the boating operators card, mainly dealing with legalities, speed restrictions, DUI suspensions, sidewalk usage, modifications etc. The MTP can be done online as well.

Considering the history of our cross-town building nimrods the minimum time required for the above would be a year.

Stage 2

D-Day, a year later

Start seizing un-plated bikes. The Chinese system seems to work technically and we gave the riders a chance to comply.

Stage three

When the herd thins add some form of insurance to the pot, possibly the Unsatisfied Judgement Fund at $200 a year ( The price of one TTC ride a week). While the UJF has a ton of issues it puts a line in the sand saying some level of responsibility is needed and nothing is free.

If a person is operating without insurance, that should wave their rights to pursue judgments against a vehicle that is at fault in a collision that harms the uninsured.

If the scooter rider doesn't feel they have to be responsible for their damages why should the opposing party?

If the above eliminates 95% of the problem we don't necessarily have to go to stage three which includes full rider licensing and insurance.
 
Take the China Observer with large grain of salt.
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China Fox perhaps.

That said there is likely some threads of accuracy and Australia's crackdown could get draconian in Sydney with high fuel prices hammering cost of living..etransport, legal or not often a thin barrier against being homeless especially for the young.

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