You think this bicycle requires license and insurance?
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E bikes rampaging Toronto streets
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No. There is no legal way to ride that bicycle on public property in Ontario. Therefore license and insurance are not required.
Just because you can physically build it doesn't mean the government allows you to use it.
Of course I've seen them. That one could probably be registered as a moped as it is from before 1988 (IIRC). Well, maybe that one is a modern interpretation of a classic moped, but cops would probably let that go as proving that one way or the other won't be easy.
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what do you think about this?Im very sure that 50cc pocket bikes are allowed to ride in Canada. correct me if I’m wrong.
Edit: they might be allowed but might not be legal on public roads like you said in an earlier post.
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22 cops might pass by a 50cc?? engine conversion and take no notice/ care/ not on thier 'radar'. Then 1 pulls you over and you have a driving with no plate, insurance on a home made whatever. I really like the idea of being almost cost free to operate but to a point.
A gas powered bicycle is no longer an "E-Bike" because it's not using any "E". It's a power assisted bicycle, and even then, it's an extremely grey area as under federal law (which trumps provincial law) it's clearly stipulated "The Criminal Code of Canada defines a "motor vehicle" as follows: "motor vehicle" means a vehicle that is drawn, propelled or driven by any means other than muscular power, but does not include railway equipment". Therein lays the grey area where charges can be laid at the federal level even if you are trying to fly under the radar using the power assisted bicycle defence at the provincial level.
It's the same difference that means people can operate an ebike drunk under provincial law (the HTA doesn't consider an eBike a "motor vehicle" but can and will still be nailed for DUI at the federal level criminal code...which DOES consider an eBike a "motor vehicle", as per above. You can still operate an ebike with a suspended drivers licence under the HTA, but if you have a federal criminal code suspension, you cannot.
Again, grey areas. Most people don't know when they're in them, many don't care. Some find out the hard way.
And yes, it needs to have a 50cc or smaller engine and the rider MUST be pedalling at all times the engine is running otherwise it's instantly considered a LSM or Moped at which point you're ripe for a big ticket. Some consider this a grey area, but it's really not...the law is clear in that regard. But again, people don't know, or don't care. Some find out the hard way.
I have a buddy who got nailed for simply strapping a 50cc onto his bicycle and then never pedalling again - he got caught. The charges stuck under the "he never pedalled" thing that basically made his bicycle a LSM. The cop followed from some distance for a few KM and not only observed he never pedalled, but he also got nailed for 80K in a 50K zone as the cherry on top. >$10,000 in fines.
Not traditional automotive insurance, but yes, there are a handful of companies out there that are providing basic liability coverage.
Modes ≠ gears.
All the mode button does on an Ebike is electronically limit the acceleration curve, maximum power output, or throttle mapping.
A zero is not a "Glorified Ebike". An Ebike is a glorified bicycle and most are built to laughable standards, many of which barely even meet minimum braking standards, much less anything else.
A zero (or anything similar, there are a few electric MC manufacturers now) is a motorcycle that just happens to be electrically powered and adheres to all the standards required for it to be fully street legal, licensable, and insurable as a motor vehicle under provincial and federal law.
Today was my day to be rampaged. I was downtown on Yonge Street at noon, sidewalks crowded and an ebike was trying to ride along the sidewalk. As we know any bike at low speed is less stable but the crowd meant the rider couldn't go fast while maneuvering around the people. I guess the politicians are going wait until someone gets killed before they do anything. A 250 pound bike plus a similar weight rider can do serious damage
Did you ever get his bike plated?
Electric bike hit a 3 yo kid in New Tec today. Kid got a helicopter ride. I assume bike rider won't be so happy about having no insurance very shortly. Hopefully the kid recovers well.
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I can't get a straight story on whether homeowners' insurance would cover a motorized bicycle.Electric bike hit a 3 yo kid in new tech today. Kid got a helicopter ride. I assume bike rider won't be so happy about having no insurance very shortly. Hopefully the kid recovers well.
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NOTTAWASAGA OPP IS INVESTIGATING A COLLISION INVOLVING A PEDESTRIAN (NEW TECUMSETH, ON) - The Nottawasaga Detachment of the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) is investigating a motor vehicle collision...
Did the rider stop and how old were they? Can juvies be sued? Was the rider at fault or did the 3 YO run out in front of the e-bike?
I assume it was a father / daughter I saw yesterday, riding two-up on a standup scooter. She looked about 6 YO and neither was wearing a helmet. The kid was in front holding onto the bars so if they crashed 200 pounds of dad would land on a wisp of a kid.
I thought they didn't cover motorized vehicles. I checked my policy and it doesn't seem to mention either way. Link is for sample policy endorsements. My umbrella policy talks about boats, off-road, RV's and rental cars but doesn't mention unlisted motor vehicles.
From a generic TDMM page:
"If injuries were caused from an accident with a pedestrian or cyclist, your home insurance's liability coverage should come into play. If injuries were caused from an accident with a motor vehicle, their accident benefits coverage from their car insurance policy should kick in. Whether your home or car insurance policy coverage comes into play will depend on the type of accident and who is considered at fault or responsible."
Here is NFP's take that homeowners policies do not help you with a motor vehicle.
So decades after some became legal, still no clear answer.
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It looks like a lot of people are using pedalpowerinsurance.ca. $1M liability is about $50/yr for an ebike or electric kick scooter. For an scooter style ebike, premium is triple ($150). For a motorcycle style ebike (wtf is that???), premium is $250.
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David Booth had an article about them in Fridays paper.
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Motor Mouth: e-bikes and e-scooters desperately need regulation
No clear cut rules or regulations and a mish-mash of jurisdictions have led to an increase in injuries
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Interesting. He's mainly harping on lack of consistency across the country and fed's absolving themselves of all responsibility.David Booth had an article about them in Fridays paper.
Motor Mouth: e-bikes and e-scooters desperately need regulation
No clear cut rules or regulations and a mish-mash of jurisdictions have led to an increase in injuries
To me, the answer seems pretty easy that 500 watt pedelecs (no throttle, pedal-assist only) of reasonable weight (maybe <100 lbs?) should be allowed. All of the DUI mobiles (250 lb scooter/motorcycle clones with throttles and pedals that are impossible to use to move the vehicle more than a foot or two) should be licensed and insured like the motor vehicles that they are.
sburns
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No surprise the our useless gov hasn't gotten around to regulating these things properly.
Also no surprise people are injuring others. I met a girl riding a ebike around Musselmans lake. She told me her bike can do 110k.
So you can get a bike and zip around without a license, insurance or training, seems like a win for idiots.
Oh and BTW she had a broken arm, from a bike accident.
Also no surprise people are injuring others. I met a girl riding a ebike around Musselmans lake. She told me her bike can do 110k.
So you can get a bike and zip around without a license, insurance or training, seems like a win for idiots.
Oh and BTW she had a broken arm, from a bike accident.
Dirty Frank
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I would say that its a moot point whether homeowners insurance would cover E bike mishaps.
Basing this solely on my observations of the usual suspects running amok on the things.
I was cycling with my wife on the rail trail between Lindsay and Peterborough a few years ago and a guy on one of those scooters passed us. Like many on those f'n things he wasn't what you'd call considerate or polite.
A few km. later we caught up to him as the battery had died (I assume). It turns out those awkwardly placed pedals below and behind the seat actually do work, just not very well and require a lot of discomfort and effort. Served him right.
My understanding from when I asked our broker was that the home insurance would cover theft, loss, etc. Similar to putting jewelry lost outside the house in a claim.
@GreyGhost thanks for the tip on pedal power insurance, for $50 I might as well look into that too.
@GreyGhost thanks for the tip on pedal power insurance, for $50 I might as well look into that too.
bigpoppa
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Gonna chime in here, but I think E bikes may have inadvertently made it safer for motorcyclists in toronto...drivers are (almost to a fault now) hyper aware of their surroundings now for anything with 2 wheels...with a million e scooters/ebikes everywhere, I think its actually safer for motorcyclists now...
As someone who drives downtown, they are a menace. And the real issue is with no license/insurance they can do as they want.
Add in the fact that many are starting to look like full size bikes, It's not a good thing, even for moto's (imo).
