Do Quebec`s rules for new riders make sense?

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justride said:
The characteristics of high risk motorcycle
  • streamlined fairing to improve aerodynamics, covering the sides of the engine, with a low windshield
  • a forward-leaning riding position
  • low, short handlebars
  • foot pegs placed higher up and farther back
  • a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
  • two disc brakes in front and one disc brake in the back
  • a chain-driven rear wheel
  • a power-to-weight ratio of over 0.5 hp/kg
  • no center stand
  • an oversize frame
  • a raised passenger seat
The No Center Stand and Chain Driven Rear Wheel are strange ones for me.

What motorcycle can I beginner rider get?
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A H-D Road Glide meets a lot of that criteria. That`s that,....the perfect beginner bike at 800+ pounds.
 
justride said:
The characteristics of high risk motorcycle
  • streamlined fairing to improve aerodynamics, covering the sides of the engine, with a low windshield
  • a forward-leaning riding position
  • low, short handlebars
  • foot pegs placed higher up and farther back
  • a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
  • two disc brakes in front and one disc brake in the back
  • a chain-driven rear wheel
  • a power-to-weight ratio of over 0.5 hp/kg
  • no center stand
  • an oversize frame
  • a raised passenger seat
The No Center Stand and Chain Driven Rear Wheel are strange ones for me.

What motorcycle can I beginner rider get?
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It doesn't need to have all of those characteristics to make the list. Those are just a shopping list for bureaucrats to point at when making arbitrary decisions. I haven't bothered to look at the full list of high-risk bikes. I assume, they are targeting RR bikes so low cc or most naked bikes don't get included.
 
justride said:
The characteristics of high risk motorcycle
  • streamlined fairing to improve aerodynamics, covering the sides of the engine, with a low windshield
  • a forward-leaning riding position
  • low, short handlebars
  • foot pegs placed higher up and farther back
  • a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
  • two disc brakes in front and one disc brake in the back
  • a chain-driven rear wheel
  • a power-to-weight ratio of over 0.5 hp/kg
  • no center stand
  • an oversize frame
  • a raised passenger seat
The No Center Stand and Chain Driven Rear Wheel are strange ones for me.

What motorcycle can I beginner rider get?
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justride said:
The characteristics of high risk motorcycle
  • streamlined fairing to improve aerodynamics, covering the sides of the engine, with a low windshield
  • a forward-leaning riding position
  • low, short handlebars
  • foot pegs placed higher up and farther back
  • a muffler placed at the rear and angled upward
  • two disc brakes in front and one disc brake in the back
  • a chain-driven rear wheel
  • a power-to-weight ratio of over 0.5 hp/kg
  • no center stand
  • an oversize frame
  • a raised passenger seat
The No Center Stand and Chain Driven Rear Wheel are strange ones for me.

What motorcycle can I beginner rider get?
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From the list, it looks like all of the criteria have to be met, if one of these conditions aren't met then it's OK. (Does anyone see any bike on their prohibited list that does not meet all of these criteria? There are some that don't have a passenger seat at all.) It's unclear what's meant by an "oversize" frame.

The smaller bikes won't meet the 0.5 hp/kg criteria. An R7 would be borderline. R3 nowhere close.

R3, Ninja 400/500, etc only have single front disk brake, in addition to being nowhere close to the power-to-weight criteria.
 
What a silly world we live in where two disk brakes = more unsafe than one...

Like a F700GS is any less safe than the F650GS before it... They use the same motor, they're 90% the same motorcycle. But BMW gave the 700GS an extra front disk for added safety danger!

Gimmeafuckinbreak lol
 
Brian P said:
From the list, it looks like all of the criteria have to be met, if one of these conditions aren't met then it's OK. (Does anyone see any bike on their prohibited list that does not meet all of these criteria? There are some that don't have a passenger seat at all.) It's unclear what's meant by an "oversize" frame.

The smaller bikes won't meet the 0.5 hp/kg criteria. An R7 would be borderline. R3 nowhere close.

R3, Ninja 400/500, etc only have single front disk brake, in addition to being nowhere close to the power-to-weight criteria.
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SAAQ also notes that a motorcycle does not need to have all of the above visual and technical characteristics to be deemed part of the high-risk motorcycle category.
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Opens it up, doesn't it. Now you can fit pretty much any bike in there.
 
I think that was the issue with it that I had that I forgot yesterday.... When the system becomes a joke, it erodes people taking the system seriously, and encourages people to just ignore it since they see it as a sham anyway.

If they kept a real tight list, that every motorcyclist was like "yeaahhhh bud, they're right, maybe give it a couple years before you get that bike" that would be one thing... but when you have ancient shitboxes that could barely keep up with the average midsize 2026 street bike classified as "high risk" it's like lol, you're a joke... and when things are a joke, are people more inclined to take them seriously, or to laugh at them?
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