Congrats to Aprilia

Hahahaha... Aprilia was contested before they even ran the bike because it has features on the showroom stock bike that no other manufacturer had. The fact that the frame has adjustable steering angle, swingarm angle and engine position were the first things to complain about, and the complaining has never stopped.

I'm sitting here marvelling that you can be so ignorant that you haven't even looked at the Aprilia price list that I linked directly, which proves you wrong on several counts. But I guess it isn't about knowing something about the subject with you, it's about swinging d!ck.
 
Your prices leave out the carbon bodywork, full ti exhaust, superbike forks, brakes, motor build, shock, etc, etc.

What is the total cost?
 
Depends on how far you want to go, i expect, but the forks are in the mix - so is the engine build - etc.

I expected dricked to be this ignorant, but not you caboose. It's RIGHT IN THE APRILIA DOCUMENTS I PROVIDED. Wow. Why do I even bother...
 

"How such substantial price reductions - according to the Speedweek article, a competitive WSBK machine currently costs around 300,000 euros per bike"

What does this have to do with standard equipment? Really? Swinging genitals? Look if you want to be so naive to think that it only costs 25k after bike purchase to build a wsbk than that's your issue. I'm done.
 
Depends on how far you want to go, i expect, but the forks are in the mix - so is the engine build - etc.

I expected dricked to be this ignorant, but not you caboose. It's RIGHT IN THE APRILIA DOCUMENTS I PROVIDED. Wow. Why do I even bother...

The pdfs you linked state 'stock front suspension'. Eugene Laverty's bike does not have stock front forks.
Can you clarify where I made such a silly mistake?

A quick google image search shows Ohlins gas charged forks.. Are those not $10,000+ forks?
 
The pdfs you linked state 'stock front suspension'. Eugene Laverty's bike does not have stock front forks.
Can you clarify where I made such a silly mistake?

That's the AMA spec bike. The WSBK spec bike is not fully spec'd in that document. For the AMA spec bike, they give you a TTX shock and the stock Ohlins forks.

A quick google image search shows Ohlins gas charged forks.. Are those not $10,000+ forks?

Right, for the AMA spec bike.

BTW, since you bothered to read at least one document, I'll share: the WSBK spec bike includes the "SBK" engine option, which you can order specific changes to if you so desire but which is defaulted to the 2012 WSB engine tune, and the NIX forks. Not much else, as the standard package is already spec'd higher than anyone else's except Ducati's. That includes having stock carbon fibre fender and undertail pieces but of course not fairings, as every team makes their own designs and usually has at least one replacement fairing set with them (and usually at least one replacement bike). Are you going to have to buy other bits that your specific rider and/or team engineer wants? I suspect so. But Aprilia will provide you with the rolling chassis at a really low price, if you will race their brand.

If you wanted magnesium wheels, that would be extra. In WSBK you would probably want that... figure $3500 a set? Your rider might want the latest, greatest monobloc Brembos which may or may not be better... figure $2500 a set? These are things Aprilia leaves up to the individual team.

About the APX2 ECU: "The engine tables are 100% adjustable corner to corner, distance based, rpm based, TP, etc. TC can be changed from corner to corner, engine braking can be changed corner to corner, engine power can be cut in any corner. Tire diameters can be programed along with final gearing, etc. You'll need the hand held unit to make changes in pit lane, ABM & ARES software, cables & data key which are all seperate from the base bike cost." The base software doesn't have that level of sophistication, but is included. So, more money there if you want to have an engineer do that work to the bike, but then if you can afford an engineer...

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This is last year's basic WSBK engine package:

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RACE ENGINE SBK R evo1.1 - 2013
TECHNICAL DATA SHEET
Engine: Aprilia longitudinal 65° V4 cylinder, 4 stroke liquid cooling system, double overhead camshafts (DOHC), four valves per cylinder.
Bore x Stroke: 78 x 52.3 [mm]
Total displacement: 999.6 [cc]
Maximum power: 200 HP (+ / - 2%) at 13.500 RPM
Gear box ratio: 1st 38/16 – 2nd 35/18 – 3rd 28/17 – 4th 32/22 – 5th 34/26 – 6th 32/27.
Clutch: Race type with slipper system.
Primary drive: Clutch gear with cushion system, primary ratio: 73/44 (1.659).
Balance shaft: On ball bearings.
ENGINE CONFIGURATION
Engine tuned by Aprilia Racing, including:
- Optimization of clearance of all components.
- Intake/exhaust duct polishing, including combustion chamber.
- Dedicated lubrication also for oil cooling.
- Internal added volumes for anti sloshing oil movement.
- Components replaced: pistons, spark plugs, gaskets, camshafts and race clutch.
- Test bench activity for engine validation.
TECHNICAL NOTES
- The above references on performance are obtained with Aprilia Racing ECU and Akrapovic exhaust.
- The engine is sold without: electric wiring, complete airbox and throttle bodies.

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However, their 2.0 SBK package looks like this:

http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/st3/SBKEngineEvo2-2013.pdf

Since I don't speak Latin, I can't tell you what exact differences there are but a bit more power is available, probably from the changes Aprilia made to its friction coatings as in the stock 2013 bike. It's a WHOLE LOT more expensive than their SBK 1.1 package, though.

The above engine packages assume that you want the normal package, and is expressed in wheel horsepower. If you want to spec different camshaft setups or different head porting, Aprilia will do that for you, since each engine is custom spec'd (but you can accept the base spec if you wish).
 
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That's the AMA spec bike. The WSBK spec bike is not fully spec'd in that document. For the AMA spec bike, they give you a TTX shock and the stock Ohlins forks.



Right, for the AMA spec bike.

BTW, since you bothered to read at least one document, I'll share: the WSBK spec bike includes the "SBK 1.1" engine option currently which you can order specific changes to if you so desire but which is defaulted to the 2012 WSB engine tune, and the NIX forks. Not much else, as the standard package is already spec'd higher than anyone else's except Ducati's. That *INCLUDES* having stock carbon fibre fender but of course not fairings as every team makes their own designs and usually has at least one replacement fairing set with them (and usually at least one replacement bike). Are you going to have to buy other bits that your specific rider and/or team engineer wants? I suspect so. But Aprilia will provide you with the rolling chassis at a really low price, if you will race their brand.

Well, in your 1st post you wrote 'complete WSBK bike' for $55k and thats simply not true.

Can you provide a link that outlines the WSBK spec build as you've described? Can you also list what is required to complete the bike after delivery? And can you document what it would actually cost to build one bike to match Eugene Laverty's as it sits on the starting grid?

I don't see any links on your website for the WSBK build.
 
Thanks for the WSBK results, but please, NO SPOILERS in the subject line next time.
 
Well, in your 1st post you wrote 'complete WSBK bike' for $55k and thats simply not true.

It's the rolling chassis. Each team will want its own idiosyncracies. Can you win WSBK on the bike they ship you? Probably not. They're always going to have a year's worth of development on the bike they are selling, and a lot of individual touches that only an engineering team will provide. Nothing stopping other teams from doing their own R&D or updates.

Can you provide a link that outlines the WSBK spec build as you've described?

Went looking for it, it looks like they are doing updates to the package and I expect it will be up again shortly. They took me by surprise with that SBK 2.0 engine spec, in fact, because last time I looked it wasn't there... days ago.

Can you also list what is required to complete the bike after delivery? And can you document what it would actually cost to build one bike to match Eugene Laverty's as it sits on the starting grid?

They don't sell Laverty's exact bike to you, and I doubt they ever will.

Note that Aprilia isn't listing these options on their web site (at least, they weren't doing so) as these are available only special order through dealers. But apparently you don't have to be in a racing team, as there are track day riders buying the SBK engine package, for example. George @ Corsa is trying to convince me to do it. ;)

Cripes, you'd think I worked for Aprilia. But really, all this information is somewhat common knowledge among owners.
 
Ok so you can buy a pretty nice bike for $55k, but you cannot buy a COMPLETE WSBK spec bike for 55k? if I'm following all the links and reading correctly yes?
 
Ok so you can buy a pretty nice bike for $55k, but you cannot buy a COMPLETE WSBK spec bike for 55k? if I'm following all the links and reading correctly yes?

No you can!!! It just doesn't include a few non important components; you know. But yes you can!!!
 
It's the rolling chassis. Each team will want its own idiosyncracies. Can you win WSBK on the bike they ship you? Probably not. They're always going to have a year's worth of development on the bike they are selling, and a lot of individual touches that only an engineering team will provide. Nothing stopping other teams from doing their own R&D or updates.

Went looking for it, it looks like they are doing updates to the package and I expect it will be up again shortly. They took me by surprise with that SBK 2.0 engine spec, in fact, because last time I looked it wasn't there... days ago.

How can we discuss this if you don't have any reference material to share with us?

Your source data quoting $38,000 for an AMA spec build seems reasonable considering the parts that you'd still need to buy. At least a few thousand dollars to finish it off. If its a program to stimulate Aprilias being chosen in AMA then they'll likely be supplied to qualified individuals at a bit of a 'discount' price.

For an extra $17,000 you claim that you can get a... let's call it "nearly complete" WSBK spec RSV4.

When Derrick showed some skepticism regarding your claim of a $55G WSBK spec bike you were fairly impolite. Based on what you actually wrote he was right to be skeptical, instead of clarifying that the bike would be supplied missing a few parts and you really don't know what the WSBK build is and you really don't know what the price is, you told him he was ignorant.. a few times.

They don't sell Laverty's exact bike to you, and I doubt they ever will.

Note that Aprilia isn't listing these options on their web site (at least, they weren't doing so) as these are available only special order through dealers. But apparently you don't have to be in a racing team, as there are track day riders buying the SBK engine package, for example. George @ Corsa is trying to convince me to do it. ;)

Cripes, you'd think I worked for Aprilia. But really, all this information is somewhat common knowledge among owners.

That's not what I asked.

How much would it cost to build it?

You claim that that WSBK build is only $17,000 more than the AMA SBK build. I'm fairly certain that the brakes alone on the #58 RSV4 are worth more than that $17,000 increase in price. So far you can't substantiate your claim and I'm sure Derrick and I aren't the only ones that are skeptical.

It's a great bike, no argument there, but a $55G 'nearly complete' WSBK spec bike is unlikely IMO.... unless your perception of 'nearly' differs greatly from mine.
 
Based on what you actually wrote he was right to be skeptical, instead of clarifying that the bike would be supplied missing a few parts and you really don't know what the WSBK build is and you really don't know what the price is, you told him he was ignorant.. a few times.

After he admitted not to reading anything I posted, and taking some jabs at my character, yes. Let's not sugarcoat it, hrm?

How much would it cost to build it?

How would I know?

You claim that that WSBK build is only $17,000 more than the AMA SBK build. I'm fairly certain that the brakes alone on the #58 RSV4 are worth more than that $17,000 increase in price. So far you can't substantiate your claim and I'm sure Derrick and I aren't the only ones that are skeptical.

There's a difference between *A* WSBK bike and *THE FACTORY TEAM'S* WSBK bike, and I pointed that out right at the start. They aren't going to sell you their current bike, they will sell you the core of last year's bike. When I say "core" you could take what they give you and if you're talented enough, you could likely do decently in a WSBK race.

Ride it without fairings if you want (although you might want a seat). How many pounds do you think are between the forged aluminum wheels and forged magnesium wheels? Two? Three? How much more braking force do you need than Brembo 430s on 320mm rotors? You might decide you need more, and spend the money. But Aprilia is not giving you their 100% complete current race bike - which I said, right at the start.

It's a great bike, no argument there, but a $55G 'nearly complete' WSBK spec bike is unlikely IMO.... unless your perception of 'nearly' differs greatly from mine.

Maybe it does. But there were a lot of arguments vs. me (without reading anything I provided from Aprilia) including "the race ECU alone is probably worth $35K, etc. etc." and they were, and remain, wrong.

Now, it occurs to me that the pricing that the dealership went over with me (for fun, as I'm not in that market) to buy a rolling WSBK chassis could be incorrect, seeing as how they've never actually ordered one that I know of, as looking at the SBK 2.0 pricing, while I can't read much latin, the pricing is something like $75K for that motor - is it one motor? Two? Is it a program that includes some rebuilds or an engineer? I dunno, can't read it, but it's definitely no $55K purchase. That has me thinking that when I call him tomorrow re: my street RSV4 order that I'm going to grill him a little more on the details of the SBK packages. Regardless, you can see what they're offering for the AMA packages, and hopefully AF1 will have the full WSBK package listed up again for purchase in NA since they did not restrict the engine to europe.
 
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Do that..

It's English if you scroll down.

How will the $60,000 Ap compare to the $240,000 Ducati you mentioned? Non competitive? Then it really isn't WSBK spec is it?
 
Just a suggestion, but if you don't want to come across as a pompous Aprilia fan that slavishly worships the brand you might want to tone down your bashing of other bikes and your defensiveness around any questions people have about your comments.

I'm sure I'm not the only one that read your first post and understood that you were saying I could buy a WSBK RSV4 for $55k. You've spent the last two pages qualifying that statement and bashing anyone that questions you. That information is clearly not correct. It seems from later posts that you have no idea what a WSBK spec RSV4 would cost. Not an effective way to sway people's opinion.

I get that you love Aprilias. But your posts do nothing to promote the brand IMO.
 
No, I believe that I am still right. I at no point claimed that you were buying a direct copy of the factory's own WSBK entry if you dealt with Aprilia. In fact, I said quite the opposite. But I also didn't expect people that are supposed to be racers to think that it meant they were getting that exact bike, either... however since it's apparent that they (nor I, nor anyone I know personally) have not been in the business of buying pre-made factory race bikes, assumptions were made about what would be included in such a package. But I'm still not wrong, you could ride the bike you are getting for that package and do well if you had the rider to go with it - you'd still be getting a bike with a very strong motor, the traction control, the APX2 data logging / race control computer, upgraded suspension and other things.

But you can easily spend more money. No question. For example, for the APX2 system, you would probably want the add-ons:

Front and rear potentiometers w/mounting hardware
Oil pressure sender
Oil temp sender
Exhaust temp sender
Lambda kit with probes and control unit
Hand held palm unit

Cost? Listed in one of the PDFs I referenced.

Also, I don't apologize for being a fan nor for being pretty amazed with what they are giving you for the money in the AMA or WSBK packages. But that said, I do want to get to the current bedrock price for the WSBK package since I can no longer find the web listing, and had never seen the SBK 2.0 package before. Hopefully he can set us right on that.
 
I'd argue the point, but we'd both be speculating. That's not going to be too productive, I think.
 
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