Clock is ticking as the Gardiner Expressway crumbles

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To tear it down, or not to tear it down – that is the question about a section of Toronto’s iconic Gardiner Expressway that is in such poor shape it will be unsafe to drive on in six years unless it is ripped out and rebuilt.
New revelations about the deteriorating state of the Gardiner Expressway have prompted Toronto’s transportation bureaucrats to explain, in their clearest language yet, that time is running out for the crucial downtown artery, especially east of Jarvis Street.


The options, they say, are limited: Spend $210-million over 10 years to replace that part of the expressway, or dole out more than $35-million in timber bracing, deck patching and wall repair to keep it aloft while the city examines tearing down the two-kilometre stretch altogether, an undertaking pegged at $300-million back in 2008.
But it may already be too late for councillors and Torontonians to get the information they need to make a decision on the Gardiner’s future.
A feasibility study looking into demolishing the Gardiner east of Jarvis was quietly shelved after Mayor Rob Ford was elected on a vow to end the “war on the car.”
Nobody will say precisely why the $7.7-million environmental assessment was put “on hold” two years ago.
The mayor’s office denies ordering it halted, while the president of Waterfront Toronto – the agency that was conducting the assessment – says that a steering committee he co-chaired decided to press the pause button while waiting for the new Ford administration to offer an opinion that never came.
“This administration, just like with [light-rail plan] Transit City, is trying to make billion-dollar decisions without the advice of Toronto city council or Torontonians,” said Councillor Gord Perks, an opponent of the mayor. “It’s not the right way to build a transportation infrastructure we can rely on.”
The mayor’s allies, meanwhile, are accusing former mayor David Miller’s administration of starving the expressway of funds as part of their “anti-car agenda.”
“They ignored it. They’d rather have bike paths down the Gardiner than cars. Let’s call a spade a spade,” said Councillor Doug Ford, the mayor’s brother. “The good news is we are all over this.”
Toronto’s draft budget for 2013 calls for spending $505-million on repairing and rebuilding the Gardiner over the next 10 years.
The plan, if approved by council, would essentially mean the Gardiner is here to stay.
“I think that tearing down the Gardiner potentially could cost more. The traffic delays would be more significant,” said Denzil Minnan-Wong, another Ford ally and chair of the public works committee.
Last week Mr. Minnan-Wong revealed that the budget for rehabilitation of the Gardiner has been underspent for 10 of the last 14 years, a fact that only came out when he asked city finance staff to crunch the numbers.
City officials on Wednesday offered little explanation for the underspending, except to say that council under Mr. Miller had directed staff to perform only emergency repairs on the section east of Jarvis after the environmental assessment was approved in 2008. No work was deferred west of Jarvis, they said.
The severity of the Gardiner’s problems started to become apparent last summer, when chunks of concrete fell from the underbelly of the elevated expressway to Lake Shore Boulevard below.
While transportation officials repeatedly assured Torontonians that the roadway was “structurally sound” and posed no danger to the public, documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Toronto Star and Global News suggest the troubles were more serious and widespread than the city let on.
“I don’t think it’s a crisis whatsoever,” deputy city manager John Livey said Wednesday.
However, he and one of his colleagues acknowledged that parts of the road are reaching the end of their lifespan.
“It’s simply a matter of age,” said John Kelly, the city’s acting director of design and construction. “This section of the Gardiner [east of Jarvis] was built in the late 1950s and early 1960s. Regardless of the amount of repair work that you put into it over that time period, eventually you’re going to require replacement.”











So what do you guys/girls think should be done? Tolls? New tax to pay for the repairs/rebuild? Tear it down? Rebuild it? Repair? Or simply sell it off to a company like 407
 
All we have to look to is Boston of how trying to bury an express way can get stupid expensive. This whole boondogle is another example of how screwed up the city mayor and council are.

I personally think they should repair the expressway and would support a zone based toll system for the Gardiner at reasonable rates. $1-$3 access fee to each 'zone'.

And I wish the Ford's would drop this mythical 'war on the car'. Exploring other modes of transportation in a gridlocked city is just smart and forward thinking.
 
They keep wanting to tear down the gardiner, where the heck are the cars gonna go? Ttc is a waste of time.

Our population is increasing not decreasing

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"Last week Mr. Minnan-Wong revealed that the budget for rehabilitation of the Gardiner has been underspent for 10 of the last 14 years, a fact that only came out when he asked city finance staff to crunch the numbers."

That kills me more than anything... :confused2:
 
"Last week Mr. Minnan-Wong revealed that the budget for rehabilitation of the Gardiner has been underspent for 10 of the last 14 years, a fact that only came out when he asked city finance staff to crunch the numbers."

That kills me more than anything... :confused2:

lol big surprise there
 
All we have to look to is Boston of how trying to bury an express way can get stupid expensive. This whole boondogle is another example of how screwed up the city mayor and council are.

I personally think they should repair the expressway and would support a zone based toll system for the Gardiner at reasonable rates. $1-$3 access fee to each 'zone'.

And I wish the Ford's would drop this mythical 'war on the car'. Exploring other modes of transportation in a gridlocked city is just smart and forward thinking.

Probably going to be the best post in here.
 
Big dig. Toronto style.
 
All we have to look to is Boston of how trying to bury an express way can get stupid expensive. This whole boondogle is another example of how screwed up the city mayor and council are.

The Gardiner has been crumbling long before our current mayor. Miller had almost 8 years to do something about it but he did nothing since he loved bicycles and hated cars.
 
The Gardiner has been crumbling long before our current mayor. Miller had almost 8 years to do something about it but he did nothing since he loved bicycles and hated cars.

actually its all fords fault cause he's fat.

i think our politicians have demonstrated time and time again that they're not even capable of running a hot dog stand, never mind manage a city or a country.

i say let a private company come in and take it over, rebuild it and charge a toll.
 
This has been over 30 years in deadlocked discussions. These fools in the council will sit on this until it becomes a major H&S hazard and only that impetus will prompt a rush decision.

A great working example is the road system in Brussels, but that time has passed with this city's idiotic planning department.
There was a chance before all the condos went into build a solution, whether it would have been a parallel road network, then demolish the Gardner without interruption, or to dig and tunnel another TTC subway line, or at the very least force each condo developer to pitch into a pool that would address these concerns, maybe even pitch into underground infrastructure for tunnels since they were digging massive foundations ANYWAYS!

The city missed a huuuuuuuuuuge opportunity for a PPP scheme during the condo boom.

Get ready for a toll folks!
 
All this posturing and bickering on who's fault this was - who cares. How about get to work and finally get something done for once?

I say rebuild it. If you tear it down permanently, how are you going to accommodate the traffic that used to use it? Are they all going to cram all the cars onto Lakeshore?
 
Tear it down and increase trains travel along there. I already drive to yorkdale and take the subway because I can't be bothered with all the stupid traffic.

Please bear in mind this is my opinion based on going down for events with my family, not for going to work. So I would listen to daily suckers opinions more than mine of course. :)
 
Countries in Asia are building beautiful structures within 4-5 years. Toronto cannot fix anything in 20 years.
 
All we have to look to is Boston of how trying to bury an express way can get stupid expensive. This whole boondogle is another example of how screwed up the city mayor and council are.

I personally think they should repair the expressway and would support a zone based toll system for the Gardiner at reasonable rates. $1-$3 access fee to each 'zone'.

And I wish the Ford's would drop this mythical 'war on the car'. Exploring other modes of transportation in a gridlocked city is just smart and forward thinking.
lol Yea the Gardiner problem is only a Mayor ford problem

It's amazing how people only read or regurgitate the parts that are convenient to the argument they are trying to make
 
Countries in Asia are building beautiful structures within 4-5 years. Toronto cannot fix anything in 20 years.

Work ethics there r different + absence of unions

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... while the president of Waterfront Toronto – the agency that was conducting the assessment – says that a steering committee he co-chaired decided to press the pause button while waiting for the new Ford administration to offer an opinion that never came...


Was the co-chair of the steering committee actually saying that he was waiting for two years, for someone else to tell him what to do?
 
Was the co-chair of the steering committee actually saying that he was waiting for two years, for someone else to tell him what to do?
I think he is saying that Ford was the Co-chair... I think
 
What we need is someone that can look at a map and strong arm the railways.

We have a wide set of tracks that are directly beside the Gardiner at Strachan that go all the way to the DVP! Build a new Gardiner from Strachan above the railway tracks (can be a tunnel for the tracks OR an elevated roadway) all the way to the DVP. Might be some minor issues at Union and a couple of bridges to deal with but these can be worked out, but we will have to stop the new fancy stuff they are planning at track level there (union).

Problem solved, cheapest possible solution. Ralway will have major issue with anyone doing this but the federal, provincial, and municipal governments need to grow some and set them straight for the better good of the country.
 
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