BMW Bikes?

A full 10,000km service on a K12LT will be well over $1500 at the dealer.The first service for an 1800 Goldwing is a valve check at 55,000km that will cost about $500. That's the main reason i went from BMW to Honda.

That does seem outrageous.
 
And i *think* you mean K1300S? There's no K1200S - And i'd definitely recommend looking at the F800ST, which would bring the price more in line.

There was a K1200S, and there are lots of them available as used bikes. They are a great model.
 
If you went in for your first service at 55,000km and just had the valve check done your bike will be in rough shape. You've missed out on all the other regular maintenance and a bunch of other checks. compare the same things.
If you're not afraid to turn a torx and a 13 mm wrench all the routine maintenance on the bikes are easy enough to do. Even if you always take it to the dealer. In the long run the BMW will be worth more and last longer.
 
Sorry, i was only thinking new. My Bad!
 
I'm sure they are great bikes, but something about the sound of a BMW engine (at least the ones I have heard) makes my teeth itch.
 
I'm sure they are great bikes, but something about the sound of a BMW engine (at least the ones I have heard) makes my teeth itch.

maybe because they generally don't have straight Pipes ;)
 
maybe because they generally don't have straight Pipes ;)

blablabla...I knew someone would make a lame Harley joke. ;)

I seriously don't know what it is about them! lol
 
I couldn't decide between an 1150RT and a Honda ST1100. Both great bikes and the RT more refined. Maintenance cost was the determiner and I got the ST. Very reliable and cheap to run with US sourced parts.
 
Looking at k1200s as a possibility for my next bike. The cost of entry is higher then comparable japanese bikes. Are they worth it?

I want to do more distance sport touring and the idea of no chain is slightly appealing

anybody with experience of ownership?

I know I could visit some BMW forums, but opinions there would be biased


I'm a Honda guy. And was sure I was going to buy a Honda. Once upon a time, I had a deposit on a brand new VFR800, but cancelled it and went with the F800 based on rave reviews and an impressive personal test ride.

3 years later, I've never been happier! Based on my experience with this bike, and Budd's BMW service, I'm confident my next bike will very likely be a BMW.


My bro, picked up a new K1300S last year. Ride one before writing it off as a possible bike decision, its an incredible machine.





BMW riders are different than the rest of us.

LOL.. please expand on this... I need more giggles.



I've never been happy with any shops' mechanics and that hasn't changed with BMW. .

You obviously have not been to Budd's BMW for bike service. They are arguably, the best BMW mechanic shop in Ontario.

From John Parker, to the rest of the gang, they are top notch, down to earth, easy to talk to guys. They just hired a third mechanic (that formally worked at RC :) ), the place has majority of bikes coming from GTA.




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I personally love the bmw's, my next will most likely be te r1200rt. However if your looking for ST bikes with shaft why not look at the Concours or FJR? Both fantastic ST bikes with shaft drive and i dout very much that they are inferior to the BMW in performance and comfort. Plus less $$ and cheaper on insurance and parts.
 
I've had two K1200R's and one K1200S, yes I do like them. They are great sport touring bikes. I took my K1200S on a week's trip to West Virginia and Ohio a few years ago and just rode twisty roads, I had the week of my life. Great ride on the highway while you ride to the right roads and then a great ride once in the twisty bits. Never any mechanical issues and I love the guys at Toronto BMW. I'd buy another one if I was going back to bikes.
 
My '08 k1200s was a teriffic bike. Prior to buying it, I test rode the competitors from Suzuki and Kawasaki, and found the BMW to be a better compromise between performance and comfort, and maintenance intervals were comparable or better if I recall correctly. I had the warranty maintenance done by Downtown BMW in Toronto - labour costs not much different than competitors bikes I have owned in the past but service experience was very much better. Oil filters - a very few dollars more.
Riding position is slightly more upright than competitors, but wind protection is much better. I really liked the non-mantenance shaft drive which was completly un-noticable while riding, aside from the typical 'clunk' when shifting from neutral to 1st gear. My k12s had the electronically adjustable suspension option which I used every time I rode it. Traction control was not very intrusive (can be turned off...) and the ABS system was very good*. The fork requires some adaptation , but overall, on paved roads, I think it (or perhaps the successor K1300S model which I have not tried) is the best sport touring ride available. The apparent quallity of the bike was very high. Yes, I've had a have test ride on the current VFR but was not impressed by any aspect of the test bike's performance - however the surface finish quality is supperior.
*I'm now adapting to a Multistrada 1200s Sport - ABS, not so good ...
 
For what it's worth, the last chain drive I had was a 1973 Honda CB450.
All 6 bikes since have been shaft drive. Never had a $$BMW - all Japanese bikes and all reliable as heck.

Agreed, a BMW bike is not worth the price, if you are cost conscious a nice Honda touring bike should be just as reliable and powerful. You have to remember with all luxury vehicles you will get dinged big time for parts and service.
If they are anything like their cars (BMW), a spark plug wire could cost you $100 each. However, if you got all the money in the world by all means go ahead.
 
When I bought my R1200R I was debating between it and the Honda CBF1000. When I compared the two with the same level accessories (hard bags, heated grips, stainless brakelines) Honda 1 yr warranty, BMW 3 yrs...the price was not that different. When it came down to it after the test rides the twin put a bigger smile on my face. Sometimes the test ride is what makes the difference.
 
You obviously have not been to Budd's BMW for bike service. They are arguably, the best BMW mechanic shop in Ontario.

From John Parker, to the rest of the gang, they are top notch, down to earth, easy to talk to guys. They just hired a third mechanic (that formally worked at RC :) ), the place has majority of bikes coming from GTA.

Better walk into that place in a frikkin suit. Went in there a couple of times when I was trying to decide what to buy. Literally had to tackle a salesman to get help. To be fair, he was chatting with his other salesman buddies drinking coffee. The whole time I was asking questions, he was giving me the "why are you bothering me" tone.

When I e-mailed the sales manager and told him my story, he apologized and asked if I would come in and deal with him directly. When I asked him if he would in my position, I'll give him credit for his answer: "Probably not."

Glad to hear their service is better than their sales.
 
I guess you're a glass half empty kind of a guy. There are incidences of each of the things you mentioned, but they are statistically small occurrences when you consider the number of GSs that have been sold, and the cumulative number of miles that have been put on them. I would imagine that on average the miles-per-bike is way higher on R series BMWs than any other motorcycle.

I ride 20K+ kms a year, and my BMW will get me to over 200K kms easy - not a glass half empty guy, just a realist.

They're known problems, so one simply does a major service at 100K kms to replace the bearing that fails before it does, replace the clutch slave (both combined are $300 in parts) and you replace the sight glass when it weaps.

It's a matter of expectations - I expect my bike to last with only doing fluid and tire changes like a car - I use it like a car hauling stuff and taking me to far off places. The BMW's are reliable, solid bikes, but you get used to their reliability and expect things to not fail.

If my BMW gets stolen or crashed before its life is up, I'll happily buy another one. The next one will probably be high mileage (100K km+) since they do last so long and you can get them really cheap.
 
A full 10,000km service on a K12LT will be well over $1500 at the dealer.The first service for an 1800 Goldwing is a valve check at 55,000km that will cost about $500. That's the main reason i went from BMW to Honda.

My 10k service on the S1000RR was about $500.
 
Better walk into that place in a frikkin suit. Went in there a couple of times when I was trying to decide what to buy. Literally had to tackle a salesman to get help. To be fair, he was chatting with his other salesman buddies drinking coffee. The whole time I was asking questions, he was giving me the "why are you bothering me" tone.

When I e-mailed the sales manager and told him my story, he apologized and asked if I would come in and deal with him directly. When I asked him if he would in my position, I'll give him credit for his answer: "Probably not."

Glad to hear their service is better than their sales.


My Opinion, based on several friends experiences and my own during demo days and test rides and service etc:

Best sales experience was at Durham BMW.
Best service experience was at Budds BMW.
 
Better walk into that place in a frikkin suit. Went in there a couple of times when I was trying to decide what to buy. Literally had to tackle a salesman to get help. To be fair, he was chatting with his other salesman buddies drinking coffee. The whole time I was asking questions, he was giving me the "why are you bothering me" tone.

When I e-mailed the sales manager and told him my story, he apologized and asked if I would come in and deal with him directly. When I asked him if he would in my position, I'll give him credit for his answer: "Probably not."

Glad to hear their service is better than their sales.

+1. Notice I didn't say anything about their sales dept?

For Sales, we've had good experience with Wolf BMW and incredible experience with Durham/Endras.

But for service, Budd's is the place to go. It used to be the best kept secret, but not anymore.

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Budds Motorrad sales guys are dick heads...I've bought 4 vehicles from them and they treated me like crap...last time I was there the friend I was with was shocked with the way these guys were acting to the point he walked out of the dealer. Not a pleasant bunch at all...they've forever lost my business. The service guys are great.
 
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