Yamaha, that's a Japanese word for Bruce Jenner problems...
2015 Yamaha R! Recall Already!!!
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snowboarder
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can someone help me understand this? i always thought, simple means durable and reliable, right? i mean, simpler the design, less parts = less things could break. so why does it seem like motorcycles have these weird problems, seems more than cars?
i had a 2009 bmw x5 for 4 years, 80,000kms before i sold it. everything was perfect. and a car is far more complicated than a bike, right? how could a small motorcycle like this new R1 would have tranny issues?
i had a 2009 bmw x5 for 4 years, 80,000kms before i sold it. everything was perfect. and a car is far more complicated than a bike, right? how could a small motorcycle like this new R1 would have tranny issues?
Just because a bike is (apparently) simpler doesn't mean someone can't miss something in the design. (And the R1 is not a particularly simple bike.)
The pressure to make things lighter, more powerful, faster and yet not cost too much has consequences ... safety factors get slimmed down in the interest of reducing weight, or stress levels go up and cut into the safety factors. If there's an oops, and the safety factor drops below 1 ... stuff starts breaking!
If someone screws up the design and it doesn't get caught until too late ... recalls happen.
Might want to ask Volkswagen about how much their upcoming TDI recall is going to cost them - and whether it was worth the $350 per car that they saved by not using the (Mercedes-developed) Bluetec emission control system.
My sister's Ford Escape has been recalled three times for fuel leaks. GM ignition switches ... Toyota accelerator pedal sensors and floor mats ... there are more auto recalls now than ever.
BMW and Mercedes (seemingly) don't do recalls on their cars. Ze Germans did all ze engineering perfektly, all ze problems are because of the customer. Doesn't mean there's nothing wrong, they just deny responsibility until the situation becomes so bad that they can't escape ... (I have a M-B product in the driveway; it has actually been pretty good but there are certain things that shouldn't have gotten through validation testing without being found and fixed, and failing that they should have been recalled and fixed, but they never were ... Not even fixed on later model years of the same car ...)
The pressure to make things lighter, more powerful, faster and yet not cost too much has consequences ... safety factors get slimmed down in the interest of reducing weight, or stress levels go up and cut into the safety factors. If there's an oops, and the safety factor drops below 1 ... stuff starts breaking!
If someone screws up the design and it doesn't get caught until too late ... recalls happen.
Might want to ask Volkswagen about how much their upcoming TDI recall is going to cost them - and whether it was worth the $350 per car that they saved by not using the (Mercedes-developed) Bluetec emission control system.
My sister's Ford Escape has been recalled three times for fuel leaks. GM ignition switches ... Toyota accelerator pedal sensors and floor mats ... there are more auto recalls now than ever.
BMW and Mercedes (seemingly) don't do recalls on their cars. Ze Germans did all ze engineering perfektly, all ze problems are because of the customer. Doesn't mean there's nothing wrong, they just deny responsibility until the situation becomes so bad that they can't escape ... (I have a M-B product in the driveway; it has actually been pretty good but there are certain things that shouldn't have gotten through validation testing without being found and fixed, and failing that they should have been recalled and fixed, but they never were ... Not even fixed on later model years of the same car ...)
You might want to mention that to Catlin Ins UK, its what they do, recall risk, crisis management. They also insure pharma .
How do you design a transmission for bling and not function?
I was referring in the general sense. I believe Yamaha & Kawasaki have the poorest transmissions
Ha.
This always amazes me. I have ridden for over 30 years, presently own over 12 different bikes from from 5 different manufacturers, race, street, dirt, 100 000s of kms on motorcycles...
How much would you need to ride over the years on different brands, different models to even be able to have an opinion?
Cause I must be stupid to not be able to form an opinion on the matter
This always amazes me. I have ridden for over 30 years, presently own over 12 different bikes from from 5 different manufacturers, race, street, dirt, 100 000s of kms on motorcycles...
How much would you need to ride over the years on different brands, different models to even be able to have an opinion?
Cause I must be stupid to not be able to form an opinion on the matter
Shaman
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My circle of friends have had precisely the opposite experience. Least solid bikes by a long, long way compared to any of the rest. Including Suzuki.
Somehow, they got the late-model R6 mostly right, though. As long as you don't crash one you'll probably be OK. Probably why they've hardly changed anything about it since 2006.
Do you wrench on your bike?
I mean anything past an oil change.
Could be the year range I got into Yamaha but had the best experience with them.
For race bikes I got my first Yamaha in 2009 which was a stock 2006 R6 and was bullet proof.
So much so that I got a 2007 R6 and also a 2009 FZ1 also both bullet proof. Not an issue to speak of.
Had 2003, 2009, and 2011 ZX6Rs and ZX10 and all kinds of little issues and cheap materials have to replace things constantly wearing out. But amazing bikes with best results. Also the most peppy out of the box.
2007 GSXR 600 had the most problems for me but was one of my favorites.
For offroad have a 2001 Yamaha WR250 which is bullet proof and more solid than many decade-or-so newer dirtbikes.
Seems like a bit of a faux pas and they probably could have done a little bit more QA on that before it went to production, but it seems like they are doing the right thing. Its much worse if they ignore or deny the problem. If I had one I would have no problem hanging on to it after the recall.
I've had Yamaha's, Suzuki's and Kawasaki's (never owned a Honda) over the years and they have all been rock solid. I raced ZX's, GSXR's and even an SV with no issues. That 2002 SV was purchased for the SV Cup and has just got hammered over the last 13 years. I still have it and it still runs perfectly
I've had Yamaha's, Suzuki's and Kawasaki's (never owned a Honda) over the years and they have all been rock solid. I raced ZX's, GSXR's and even an SV with no issues. That 2002 SV was purchased for the SV Cup and has just got hammered over the last 13 years. I still have it and it still runs perfectly
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Yeah but Brian how many successful race hours, race wins, trackdays, tails of the dragon on your FZR?
Plus the fact that didn't Emilio get nearly 100K mileage until the rod bearing let go?
sempre1
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Well over the years i have had 24 bikes..yes 24! 11kawis/9yammis/2suzuki/1triumph/1honda- all sport bikes and 2 naked bikes from Yammi fz08 and fz09 - i had no major problems with any of the bikes above - except the 09 R1 a pure LEMON! That's why i mentioned before i won't buy an r1 anymore. Even if Yamaha solves the Tranny problem (which they will) i won't change my mind over the R1- maybe i'm wrong but that's the way i feel. Regardless my opinion on the r1 it doesn't mean the Yamaha product is not good. Nowadays they're pretty close to all the Japanese bikes, does the perfect bike exist? I don't think so.
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I like the way the OP make this out to look like it is earth shattering.
Business as usual in the vehicle realm.
Nothing we haven't seen before.
My Suzuki TL1000 hat two frames replaced by Suzuki.
No big deal.
Business as usual in the vehicle realm.
Nothing we haven't seen before.
My Suzuki TL1000 hat two frames replaced by Suzuki.
No big deal.
