12 Bikes get parking tickets near King St and Yonge St

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ZX3_2NV

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So a bunch of other 600+ motorcycles as well as scooters have been parking on the pictured boulevard since the beginning of the season me included. No tckets No problems. It’s located close to King St. and Young St. on two small side streets. I went out for lunch and walked by the row of motorcycles and I saw 12 full sized motorcycles dinged with a $50 parking tickets the ticket stated unauthorized parking on boulevard I believe. Anything we can do to get out of this? Did the building have to give authorization to parking enforcement to ticket us.
 

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No building authorization is required for the city to issue tickets there. That's city property under the bricks, part of the sidewalk area even if it is bricks, and the tickets are perfectly fair game and ought to have been expected.
 
It's a clean hit, under Toronto bylaws. You're permitted to park in on-street pay and display spaces, but the boulevard is off limits.
 
Yeah your not allowed to park on a boulevard, Doesn't matter if the sidewalk is not blocked. I'm glad there ticketing scooter too tho.
 
Domon said:
Yeah your not allowed to park on a boulevard, Doesn't matter if the sidewalk is not blocked. I'm glad there ticketing scooter too tho.
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the OP didn't say anything about the scooters getting ticketed. They wouldn't get any.
 
Yaa I work at CCW and orginally parked on Melinda on the other side of Yonge but when I noticed full size motorcycle's parking up on the boulavard I started to aswell. Haven't got a ticket all season till the other day. I guess our luck finally ran out. I'll suck it up and walk the extra block. Just to clarify scooters and E-Bikes did not get any tickets. Smallest motorcycle there was 500 cc and he got dinged aswell. Yesturday a dirt bike parked there and got a ticket folded under his break lines not sure what cc.Today there's a black and red Busa out there with a bunch of scooter's I wonder if he'll get a ticket, he hasn't been here all week.
 
Scooters can park on the sidewalk. that's how the bylaw reads . Bikes have to be on the street,that boulevard is considered sidewalk so no parking allowed
 
jimyed said:
Scooters can park on the sidewalk. that's how the bylaw reads . Bikes have to be on the street,that boulevard is considered sidewalk so no parking allowed
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You'll have to show me that bylaw because when I read it, it said that 'motor vehicles' are not allowed to park on the boulevard. Scooters are most definitely classed as motor vehicles. E-bikes and bicycles are a different issue.
 
ZX3_2NV said:
Today there's a black and red Busa out there with a bunch of scooter's I wonder if he'll get a ticket, he hasn't been here all week.
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Just spoke to the owner and he got dinged with the ticket.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
You'll have to show me that bylaw because when I read it, it said that 'motor vehicles' are not allowed to park on the boulevard. Scooters are most definitely classed as motor vehicles. E-bikes and bicycles are a different issue.
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Did a google and found this:


Toronto: Can scooters park on the sidewalk? An article from "Wheels", by Andrew
Meeson

Looking for clarity on where to leave your two-wheeler? Good luck
Andrew Meeson
Toronto Star

Aug 22, 2008

Look around downtown Toronto and you're likely to see everything from the littlest moped to
the biggest motorcycle cruiser taking up space on the sidewalk, either near a bike rack or on
the boulevard right by the curb.

When it comes to parking a motorized two-wheeler in Toronto, it might look like anything goes
– even more so now that bikes, ebikes and scooters have become more popular as relatively
cheap and easy ways of getting around the city. But there are rules – it's just that no one's
really clear on what they are.

So to set the record straight, we went to the people who should know: Toronto Police Services'
parking enforcement division and the head of the city's parking policy and planning division.

One thing is for sure: Since 2005, motorcycles and scooters have been able to park for free on
the streets where parking is marked.

"Motorcycles and scooters are exempt from payment of parking fees at all on-street parking
meters and pay-and-display machines during the times of operation," George Johnstone,
operations supervisor with parking enforcement for the Toronto Police, said in an email
exchange.

That doesn't mean you can park your Harley by the curb and leave it all day. It typically
means up to three hours maximum – and definitely not during times when it's prohibited, such
as rush hour.

When I asked if it is legal for motor scooters or motorcycles to park near bike racks or
newspaper boxes, Johnstone responded by writing:

"Moped and scooter operators are permitted to chain their vehicle to poles and bicycle racks to
ensure the safety of their property. Motorcycles are not permitted to do the same."

And that would certainly seem to be the case, based on anecdotal evidence from merely
viewing the scene.

But the real test is to park something.

I've left all kinds of two-wheelers on downtown sidewalks – from a 125 cc sportbike to a 600
cc scooter – without getting a ticket.

Except that it isn't allowed, according to Nazzareno Capano, manager of operational planning
and policy for Transportation Services.

According to Capano, only non-plated vehicles, like bikes or e-bikes, are allowed to park on
the sidewalk near bicycle racks. Since 2005, even mopeds have been plated.

"Police haven't really enforced it that much," he added. "But if they're out there for other
reasons, they will look at all infractions, including scooters that are plated and parked on the
sidewalk, and they will be fined."

Johnstone confirmed that fact: "If a safety concern exists and/or the scooter/moped is

obstructing vehicular or pedestrian (traffic), parking enforcement officers can issue an
infraction," he wrote, adding that the fine for "stopping on/over a sidewalk/footpath" is $60.

But Johnstone would not divulge any statistics to show how many fines police had levied – if
any – against two-wheelers flouting the law.

Even electric bikes that look like a scooter should think twice.

It is legal, but etiquette might suggest giving up the space to a cyclist.

Besides, Capano said, "there is plenty of room for them to park on the road."

Making it easier to park on the streets at metered spots was just one way of helping to relieve
the city's transportation woes, said Councillor Glenn De Baeremaeker.

De Baeremaeker, who was chair of the city's public works committee at the time, backed the
free parking move along with Councillor Case Ootes.

"If we don't make it convenient for you and encourage the use of scooters or motorcycles,
people will go from bicycles to cars," De Baeremaeker said.

"We'd rather have people go from a bicycle to a scooter when they're 55 or 60 years old ...
than buy an SUV."

Besides, motorbikers would buy tickets at the street parking machines, only to have them
blow off or get taken.

They would then fight the city over any parking ticket they received as a result, which ate up
time and money on both sides.

There are rumours the city is studying the extension of parking privileges to the boulevard,
that area between the sidewalk and the gutter.

It may be happening all over the place right now, but no such study is being considered.

Though the boulevards are already cluttered with newspaper boxes and trash receptacles,
Capano said, boulevard parking is unlikely to ever happen because of concerns for pedestrians
injuring themselves tripping over the scooter or motorcycle or hitting the "hot exhaust."

Though Capano said a change to the provincial Highway Traffic Act would be necessary to
allow boulevard parking, Bob Nichols, spokesperson for Ontario's Ministry of Transport,
disagrees.

"The Act does not address parking on sidewalks," he said. "When parking is restricted from a
sidewalk, it is enforced through the authority of a municipal bylaw."

Enthusiastic motorcyclists and scooterists may want to temper their enthusiasm for another
reason: The free parking at on-street meters does not apply to the city's Green P parking lots.

Ootes tried to get that passed along with the original law, but councillors voted the
amendment down.

"They run it as a business that generates revenue," Capano said. "And there is significant
parking available on the street itself at these meters."

Toronto Star
Posted to TMSC Message Board August 23rd, 2008

My understanding is that scooters can park anywhere on the footpath/Sidewalk where there is a bike stand.
 
kiwi said:
My understanding is that scooters can park anywhere on the footpath/Sidewalk where there is a bike stand.
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Except that they aren't, under the city bylaws, which is a position that's actually supported by that story. They aren't routinely ticketed, but that doesn't mean that it's legal.
 
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