And this is why we still need thermal generating capacity
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It was called the Carbon Tax
For most of the current wind, we pay a disgusting rate for the power they make. We don't pay when they don't make power. On the flipside, as the power is not reliable, we pay a standby rate and a disgusting rate for power from NG powered small generating stations that can jump on when required. We are also throttling our hydro power to try to inversely track green energy which cuts turbine life from decades to years. We don't see that bill as a line item so government loves it. Make no mistake, the bill comes and it is huge.
Why ever would you care about solar in Canada with massive nuclear and hydro already doing clean heavy lifting and Quebec expanding hydro next door.
You don't need thermal in Ontario.
Great lakes wind is seriously under developed and with grid scale batteries plunging in price it makes lots of economic sense.
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You don't need thermal in Ontario.
Great lakes wind is seriously under developed and with grid scale batteries plunging in price it makes lots of economic sense.
The Great Lakes are ideal for wind energy. So where is it?
Bureaucratic hurdles and high costs have prevented the offshore wind industry from developing the Great Lakes’ abundant wind resources.
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Nuclear and hydro are good for base load and terrible for load tracking. Thermal is the nest we have for load tracking. Batteries may get there but equivalent capacity is still cost-prohibitive.Why ever would you care about solar in Canada with massive nuclear and hydro already doing clean heavy lifting and Quebec expanding hydro next door.
You don't need thermal in Ontario.
Great lakes wind is seriously under developed and with grid scale batteries plunging in price it makes lots of economic sense.
The Great Lakes are ideal for wind energy. So where is it?
Bureaucratic hurdles and high costs have prevented the offshore wind industry from developing the Great Lakes’ abundant wind resources.
The best part about solar is it is the easiest to provide distributed power. Lessens demand on generation and transmission. Again, batteries may get there but are currently one of the more expensive options (more expensive than buying grid power, more expensive than a backup generator, etc). Peak solar output is also closely tied with peak demand.
Obviously you have never lived near wind turbines. The whooshing noise easily enters your house and can be like Chinese water torture for many people. Each event causes no damage but the cumulative total and anticipation of the next event causes your brain to crack. Turbines also kill thousands of birds.
Everything is a trade off. There is no single best solution.
Battery cycling costs ~$0.15/kwh if you hope to pay off the battery before it is garbage. It works technically but financially, it's a rough go. I was running the numbers to see if ULO electricity plan plus a battery to supply power during on-peak periods but it was no Bueno. If I could build battery packs out of old ev's the numbers make sense but ESA killed that idea.
A subsidy of more than $15K with owner paying $5K is a bollocks program.
People living nearby complain the vibrations make them sick.
I once ran a hydraulic jackhammer in a stairwell for a day. It worked well, powerful and very controllable. At the end of the day I was ready to puke.
There are thousands of wind turbines here and I've stood under them running and no I would not want to have them within 150m but the offset here is
Drive up to Erin and tell me you can hear a wind turbine from 1.5 km away.
Lake based makes the most sense and Lake Erie is very shallow.
Some of the turbines are insanely powerful and getting more so all the time.
Most complaints are either agitprop or flat out faked.
Drive up to Erin and tell me you can hear a wind turbine from 1.5 km away.
Lake based makes the most sense and Lake Erie is very shallow.
Some of the turbines are insanely powerful and getting more so all the time.
Try being inside a house at 3am (especially with a temperature inversion). Completely different experience than standing beside your car.
Try drawing 1.5km setback circles in Ontario. You'll be well north of north bay before you place a single turbine. A lot of ontario turbines were placed at 550m.
I know someone who used to have a quiet house. Then the neighbour paved the driveway between the houses instead of leaving it mostly gravel. The solid connection between the houses lets them hear each other’s conversations.
Not everyone is as susceptible to the same things. PTSD and food allergies used to be “all in the mind”
Awful lot of EXISTING wind FARMS south of North Bay.
Here is the interactive map so you can tunnel in.
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Europe is in general far more densely populated than Ontario and they don't have a giant lake system untapped for wind.
These are EXISTING windfarms....quityerbellyachin.
Wind and inexpensive grid scale batteries are an excellent path to netzero....fantasy NIMBY be damned.
Holland understands
Fossil fuel is dead - just annoying death throes remaining.....move on.
Using existing nuclear sites to build small nuclear is a good approach.
Here is the interactive map so you can tunnel in.
Map of Ontario wind turbine locations
Wayne Gulden has created a very useful map of Ontario’s wind turbine projects and turbine locations, which he will update as more data is obtained. It’s available here (but read the re…
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Europe is in general far more densely populated than Ontario and they don't have a giant lake system untapped for wind.
These are EXISTING windfarms....quityerbellyachin.
Wind and inexpensive grid scale batteries are an excellent path to netzero....fantasy NIMBY be damned.
Holland understands
Holland is 41,500 sq km with 18 million people while S ontario is 114,000 km with 14 million people and Holland is the second largest food exporter in the world.
Fossil fuel is dead - just annoying death throes remaining.....move on.
Using existing nuclear sites to build small nuclear is a good approach.
But still $$$$$$
I would be more impressed if there wasn't wholesale corruption driving the system.Awful lot of EXISTING wind FARMS south of North Bay.
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Here is the interactive map so you can tunnel in.
Map of Ontario wind turbine locations
Wayne Gulden has created a very useful map of Ontario’s wind turbine projects and turbine locations, which he will update as more data is obtained. It’s available here (but read the re…
Europe is in general far more densely populated than Ontario and they don't have a giant lake system untapped for wind.
View attachment 79358
These are EXISTING windfarms....quityerbellyachin.
Wind and inexpensive grid scale batteries are an excellent path to netzero....fantasy NIMBY be damned.
Holland understands
Holland is 41,500 sq km with 18 million people while S ontario is 114,000 km with 14 million people and Holland is the second largest food exporter in the world.
Fossil fuel is dead - just annoying death throes remaining.....move on.
Using existing nuclear sites to build small nuclear is a good approach.
But still $$$$$$
Your blind fanaticism is impairing your reading comprehension. You were talking about 1.5km setbacks being enough. Ontario didn't use 1500m setbacks for wind, they used 550m for most turbines. That allows a ton of turbines in southern Ontario (and a lot of ****** off people 551m from turbines).Awful lot of EXISTING wind FARMS south of North Bay.
View attachment 79357
Here is the interactive map so you can tunnel in.
Map of Ontario wind turbine locations
Wayne Gulden has created a very useful map of Ontario’s wind turbine projects and turbine locations, which he will update as more data is obtained. It’s available here (but read the re…
Europe is in general far more densely populated than Ontario and they don't have a giant lake system untapped for wind.
View attachment 79358
These are EXISTING windfarms....quityerbellyachin.
Wind and inexpensive grid scale batteries are an excellent path to netzero....fantasy NIMBY be damned.
Holland understands
Holland is 41,500 sq km with 18 million people while S ontario is 114,000 km with 14 million people and Holland is the second largest food exporter in the world.
Fossil fuel is dead - just annoying death throes remaining.....move on.
Using existing nuclear sites to build small nuclear is a good approach.
But still $$$$$$
