E bikes rampaging Toronto streets

On another note, I wonder how far we are away from directed EMP devices that can basically switch off electrical equipment? Ali express versions of those would be hilarious fun switching off the methheads preferred mode of transport while they are raiding Amazon papackages.
That exists now for drones. Cops aim a directional antenna at it and I think that makes it lose connection to the transmitter. It then lowers itself slowly for cops to grab. I think birdshot would be faster, orders of magnitude cheaper and not much more dangerous but cops like toys and budgets like spending.
 
On Bloor near Yonge yesterday, there was a collision between one of the motorcycle/sportbike looking ones and a car, I did not see the accident but I suspect the car was turning into a garage and the guy (in the bike lane based, likely flying as they all do) collided... normally the car's fault, maybe still was.

Anyways as I am walking by I hear the car driver asking him for his license and insurance... and the guy is trying to explain why he does not have them. I couldn't resist sticking my nose in.

me: that is an electric motorcycle
emoto guy: yes that is what it is, I don't need a license and insurance
me: sorry, you removed the pedals, when you did that it stopped being an ebike and now it is a motorcycle. You need a proper license and insurance to ride a motorcycle.
emoto guy: stunned look.
me: it is basically an uninsured motorcycle and you also have no motorcycle license, that is illegal.
car guy: thanks for the info....

I then moseyed on. No idea how it turned out...
 
Electric bike (not an ebike) vs TPS chase. TPS lost bad.


Smart thinking. He used the restricted TTC vehicles only lanes because he knew even the cops aren't allowed on there anymore.

Exactly. I think the thing in the video is perhaps a Stark Varg... those things are insane.

Doesn't need to be anything that expensive. My Talaria MX-5 would comfortably do 90+ km/hr, and when my body was broken from the car accident last summer and just breathing hurt, I sold it because I knew I wouldnt' be riding much let alone off-roading... all I got for that thing was $5k from a buddy.

Used E-stuff is cheap. Really good used E-stuff isn't too bad either.

That exists now for drones. Cops aim a directional antenna at it and I think that makes it lose connection to the transmitter. It then lowers itself slowly for cops to grab. I think birdshot would be faster, orders of magnitude cheaper and not much more dangerous but cops like toys and budgets like spending.

Is this real life or urban legend?

Asking because every drone I ever owned, once it loses connection, it doesn't lower itself slowly lol. Any drone I've had for the last 3 years registers a "home point" (the launch point) when they first take off. When it loses connection to the controller, it waits a programmed amount of time (I think I remember that you can set that in your settings), and then if no connection is resumed, it just returns back to the home point. Likewise if the battery is too low, and it can't reconnect to your control after waiting there, it will just return back to the launch point.

They do this because, you know... people fly over water, and plenty of other stuff and things far from where they launch. The idea is you always launch from a safe open area, so if you ever lose connection to your drone, it has LOTS of space to return home.

Typically if I'm flying across a lake at the in-law's cottage (I could get about 3 KM range over open water) I would launch the drone from the other side of the house while I sit on the dock, that way if anything goes wrong, the drone returns to the other side of the cottage, and doesn't accidentally miss the end of the dock where i'm sitting and end up submarining lol
 
Smart thinking. He used the restricted TTC vehicles only lanes because he knew even the cops aren't allowed on there anymore.



Doesn't need to be anything that expensive. My Talaria MX-5 would comfortably do 90+ km/hr, and when my body was broken from the car accident last summer and just breathing hurt, I sold it because I knew I wouldnt' be riding much let alone off-roading... all I got for that thing was $5k from a buddy.

Used E-stuff is cheap. Really good used E-stuff isn't too bad either.



Is this real life or urban legend?

Asking because every drone I ever owned, once it loses connection, it doesn't lower itself slowly lol. Any drone I've had for the last 3 years registers a "home point" (the launch point) when they first take off. When it loses connection to the controller, it waits a programmed amount of time (I think I remember that you can set that in your settings), and then if no connection is resumed, it just returns back to the home point. Likewise if the battery is too low, and it can't reconnect to your control after waiting there, it will just return back to the launch point.

They do this because, you know... people fly over water, and plenty of other stuff and things far from where they launch. The idea is you always launch from a safe open area, so if you ever lose connection to your drone, it has LOTS of space to return home.

Typically if I'm flying across a lake at the in-law's cottage (I could get about 3 KM range over open water) I would launch the drone from the other side of the house while I sit on the dock, that way if anything goes wrong, the drone returns to the other side of the cottage, and doesn't accidentally miss the end of the dock where i'm sitting and end up submarining lol
There are videos of LE using similar technology. Are they fake? I don't know. There are enough from various sources that I think the technology works.

Return to home requires some form of location tracking. I doubt any use inertial navigation and it wouldn't be hard to overwhelm things like GPS signals so the drone didn't know where it was anymore. Once it loses track of its position, the drone doesn't have a lot of options and none of them are great.

There are some interesting legal questions that haven't yet been answered. Drone laws were written for pilots. If cops take over and it crashes and hurts someone, who is legally liable? Cops obviously don't want to be holding the chequebook but pilot would have a good argument in court that cops commandeered the drone and caused the crash and injuries.
 
There are videos of LE using similar technology. Are they fake? I don't know. There are enough from various sources that I think the technology works.

Return to home requires some form of location tracking. I doubt any use inertial navigation and it wouldn't be hard to overwhelm things like GPS signals so the drone didn't know where it was anymore. Once it loses track of its position, the drone doesn't have a lot of options and none of them are great.

There are some interesting legal questions that haven't yet been answered. Drone laws were written for pilots. If cops take over and it crashes and hurts someone, who is legally liable? Cops obviously don't want to be holding the chequebook but pilot would have a good argument in court that cops commandeered the drone and caused the crash and injuries.

Drones have onboard GPS and internal compass. They also know what their own flight path was that got them to where they are. Even if GPS was overwhelmed, drone typically wants uppies, not downies, when it looses connection (it goes to pre-programmed altitude, usually put very high to avoid trees/structures/etc.

Ok screw it I just asked AI, here's what it said:

Yes, police can absolutely block a drone's signal and force it to descend. However, they cannot do this whenever they want. [1, 2, 3]
Law enforcement agencies use specialized Counter-Drone Systems (C-UAS)—including portable "drone guns"—to jam the radio and GPS frequencies a drone uses to navigate. [1, 2]

How It Works
When police target a drone with a signal blocker, they blast a strong radio frequency toward it. This overpowers the link between your controller and the drone. Depending on how the drone's system is built and what frequencies are blocked, one of two things will happen: [1, 2]
  • Forced Hover and Land: If the blocker jams both the controller's radio signal and the drone's GPS connection, the drone completely loses its bearings. Because it doesn't know where it is, it cannot trigger its usual Return-to-Home feature. Instead, it will immediately halt, hover in place, and auto-descend straight down to land safely. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Forced Return to Home: If the blocker only cuts the connection between your controller and the drone (but leaves the GPS active), the drone will perform its normal safety fail-safe and fly back to its takeoff point. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Protocol Hijacking (Spoofing): Highly sophisticated police units use advanced systems that trick the drone into thinking the police transmitter is its actual controller. This allows them to manually take over the aircraft and steer it away to a secure landing spot. [1, 2, 3]

The Legality
While it is strictly illegal for everyday citizens to own or use a signal jammer, federal law enforcement and authorized police forces hold special exemptions. For example, agencies like the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), Correctional Service Canada (to prevent prison smuggling), and major US cities hosting massive events have the legal right to deploy these countermeasures. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
You will typically see these devices deployed around high-security areas, including: [1, 2]
  • Major stadiums and large sporting events (like the World Cup or Olympics)
  • Airports and flight paths
  • Prisons and correctional facilities
  • High-profile political rallies or government buildings [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
 
Drones have onboard GPS and internal compass. They also know what their own flight path was that got them to where they are. Even if GPS was overwhelmed, drone typically wants uppies, not downies, when it looses connection (it goes to pre-programmed altitude, usually put very high to avoid trees/structures/etc.

Ok screw it I just asked AI, here's what it said:

Yes, police can absolutely block a drone's signal and force it to descend. However, they cannot do this whenever they want. [1, 2, 3]
Law enforcement agencies use specialized Counter-Drone Systems (C-UAS)—including portable "drone guns"—to jam the radio and GPS frequencies a drone uses to navigate. [1, 2]

How It Works
When police target a drone with a signal blocker, they blast a strong radio frequency toward it. This overpowers the link between your controller and the drone. Depending on how the drone's system is built and what frequencies are blocked, one of two things will happen: [1, 2]
  • Forced Hover and Land: If the blocker jams both the controller's radio signal and the drone's GPS connection, the drone completely loses its bearings. Because it doesn't know where it is, it cannot trigger its usual Return-to-Home feature. Instead, it will immediately halt, hover in place, and auto-descend straight down to land safely. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Forced Return to Home: If the blocker only cuts the connection between your controller and the drone (but leaves the GPS active), the drone will perform its normal safety fail-safe and fly back to its takeoff point. [1, 2, 3, 4]
  • Protocol Hijacking (Spoofing): Highly sophisticated police units use advanced systems that trick the drone into thinking the police transmitter is its actual controller. This allows them to manually take over the aircraft and steer it away to a secure landing spot. [1, 2, 3]

The Legality
While it is strictly illegal for everyday citizens to own or use a signal jammer, federal law enforcement and authorized police forces hold special exemptions. For example, agencies like the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP), Correctional Service Canada (to prevent prison smuggling), and major US cities hosting massive events have the legal right to deploy these countermeasures. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
You will typically see these devices deployed around high-security areas, including: [1, 2]
  • Major stadiums and large sporting events (like the World Cup or Olympics)
  • Airports and flight paths
  • Prisons and correctional facilities
  • High-profile political rallies or government buildings [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
Mind you that's mostly for DJI drones.

FPV drones can have several programmed reaction to losing connection to the tx, you can get it to automatically go up x meters and go towards home at y speed.
You can easily get them with compass and barometer which can kinda help i guess if you get jammed but obviously you'll lose a lot of accuracy.
 
The “E” should cover any powered vehicle not covered by already licensed vehicle regulations.

By separating e-scooters, mobility devices, stand up scoots, e bikes etc we are losing sight of the overall problem.

A 51 year old man, on a riding mower was hit and killed near Kitchener.

Common sense isn’t working
 
Twelve yr old kid in Van pegs a car , kids guardian gets six various tickets . Van passed a bylaw you need to be sixteen for an E kick scooter , no helmet on kid , it’s a start .



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These details are interesting.I've bought a few Staycyc's for my grandkids.They ride them to the parks and sometimes on the sidewalks (supervised) into uptown Waterloo.Six yr old rides a Thumpstar in trials competitions.Parenting is everything.
While I an be a rules Nazi I can look the other way when parents are there teaching the kid cautions.

Do we bust a three year old "Driving" a scaled down M-B electric plastic toy car on a sidewalk?

This one has a parental remote

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The “E” should cover any powered vehicle not covered by already licensed vehicle regulations.

By separating e-scooters, mobility devices, stand up scoots, e bikes etc we are losing sight of the overall problem.

A 51 year old man, on a riding mower was hit and killed near Kitchener.

Common sense isn’t working
Well it's because there is a difference.

The overall problem is that they are indistinguishable. And it blurs the line between legal and illegal in the eyes of the public and half the cops won't care, except for say, blitzes of enforcement.

A 150lbs e-scooter that goes 40km/h isn't the same as an electric scooter that weighs 30lbs and can go the same speed. They're both illegal in Toronto yet they're everywhere. Delivery drivers ride the former, and kids (and adults) ride the latter.

Heck schools in mississauga just sent out emails informing us that it's not allowed to ride e-scooters on school premises, which means they're seeing a rise in them being used to get to school. But most of these schools are filled with under-16 y old kids which makes it illegal in this jurisdiction. (technically speaking only the e-scooters from the "Bird/Lime" program are truly legal but still, under-16 kids aren't allowed to be on them)

The "must have pedals" requirement is stupid, and the new classification they're looking at legislating (having visible frame + weight requirement) might make more sense. But at some point they'll learn maybe that putting a big "illegal" sticker on it doesn't mean a ton of people aren't willing to risk it and ride them.
 
Well it's because there is a difference.

The overall problem is that they are indistinguishable. And it blurs the line between legal and illegal in the eyes of the public and half the cops won't care, except for say, blitzes of enforcement.

A 150lbs e-scooter that goes 40km/h isn't the same as an electric scooter that weighs 30lbs and can go the same speed. They're both illegal in Toronto yet they're everywhere. Delivery drivers ride the former, and kids (and adults) ride the latter.

Heck schools in mississauga just sent out emails informing us that it's not allowed to ride e-scooters on school premises, which means they're seeing a rise in them being used to get to school. But most of these schools are filled with under-16 y old kids which makes it illegal in this jurisdiction. (technically speaking only the e-scooters from the "Bird/Lime" program are truly legal but still, under-16 kids aren't allowed to be on them)

The "must have pedals" requirement is stupid, and the new classification they're looking at legislating (having visible frame + weight requirement) might make more sense. But at some point they'll learn maybe that putting a big "illegal" sticker on it doesn't mean a ton of people aren't willing to risk it and ride them.
Setup beside a bike path (or on the ferry or on the island) with a cube van. Seize everything that obviously does not comply (no pedals, rider not eligible, etc). Require $1000 bond to get your bike back. Get caught again and you forfeit the bond and need to convince a jp to give you the bike back. They'd fill multiple trucks every day. Over time the scourge fades away.
 
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