How`s your house pricing doing?..

Anyone have a crystal ball on the condo market?

Existing building ~ $500 K for 1000 SF. 35 years old. Pictures look good.

How does the 500 SF pre-build market affect those?

A condo is in our future. When?
Condo fees seem to affect price more than square footage. I'd try to find a building with as few amenities as possible to minimize fees. If I want to go swimming, a gym pass is cheaper than the fees to have one in your building. Friends bought a 1200 sq ft condo far from the gta with no amenities and condo fees are ~$1000. A

If you get really lucky you can find a ground level suite in a building without an elevator but those are rare. You could partner with a builder to redevelop your lot as a four or sixplex and you get the ground floor unit when it's complete. Rent or travel the world for a few years during construction.
 
Condo fees seem to affect price more than square footage. I'd try to find a building with as few amenities as possible to minimize fees. If I want to go swimming, a gym pass is cheaper than the fees to have one in your building. Friends bought a 1200 sq ft condo far from the gta with no amenities and condo fees are ~$1000.

If you get really lucky you can find a ground level suite in a building without an elevator but those are rare.

Elevators, underground parking and pools are high maintenance items.

Low rise buildings that can get away with hydraulic elevators save over high rise.

Land cost in the GTA skews things. Underground parking, particularly multi-level have rebuild issues every few decades. It's a mega industry today as salt rots the structure.

However underground parking cuts land costs. It's a trade off that doesn't show for ages but when the shoe drops it's a heavy one.

We have a potential problem in our area due to a bunch of rental buildings built in the 1960s when land was cheap. They went with minimal underground parking and a good amount of surface.

The economics, until the recent melt down, made it feasible to split off the above grade parking to development properties and dig deeper to replace the affected parking numbers.

The streets, schools and parklands don't increase with the population density, another issue.
 
Elevators, underground parking and pools are high maintenance items.

Low rise buildings that can get away with hydraulic elevators save over high rise.

Land cost in the GTA skews things. Underground parking, particularly multi-level have rebuild issues every few decades. It's a mega industry today as salt rots the structure.

However underground parking cuts land costs. It's a trade off that doesn't show for ages but when the shoe drops it's a heavy one.

We have a potential problem in our area due to a bunch of rental buildings built in the 1960s when land was cheap. They went with minimal underground parking and a good amount of surface.

The economics, until the recent melt down, made it feasible to split off the above grade parking to development properties and dig deeper to replace the affected parking numbers.

The streets, schools and parklands don't increase with the population density, another issue.
Where about are you looking at a condo? Speaking about concrete and salt...remember the collapse of the Florida, Miami/Surfside condo a while ago where the underground garage was so compromised and crumbling, gave out and down we go. That killed 98 people.
 
Where about are you looking at a condo? Speaking about concrete and salt...remember the collapse of the Florida, Miami/Surfside condo a while ago where the underground garage was so compromised and crumbling, gave out and down we go. That killed 98 people.
West GTA. I'm watching one building in particular.
 
If you don't mind going further west (hamiltonish), valvasori makes a good product. The brothers run the company, are on site every day and really care about what they are selling.
You sure they're still building? Nothing on their FB page wince 2021 and their website address doesn't work...I too have been thinking of getting a condo for retirement...
 
You sure they're still building? Nothing on their FB page wince 2021 and their website address doesn't work...I too have been thinking of getting a condo for retirement...
I don't know. I haven't talked to them for a few years. The last I heard they were thinking about a project on the mountain. I'll try to give Mike a call next week and see what's up. Fwiw, I have no financial connection to them. I did some work for them years ago and was impressed by them.
 
I’d be wary of putting any money into a new build condo right now . The Bronte project at Lakeshore has gone into receivership and the last Burlington project went into court over closing costs .
I’ll be staying in my house as long as possible. My mom’s condo fees are just over a grand ( stupid pool) . That’s a bite every month imo.


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I’d be wary of putting any money into a new build condo right now . The Bronte project at Lakeshore has gone into receivership and the last Burlington project went into court over closing costs .
I’ll be staying in my house as long as possible. My mom’s condo fees are just over a grand ( stupid pool) . That’s a bite every month imo.


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I'm guessing the deposit/downpayment isn't safe in this situation? Or is it held in "escrow" and returned to the buyers?
 
I’d be wary of putting any money into a new build condo right now . The Bronte project at Lakeshore has gone into receivership and the last Burlington project went into court over closing costs .
I’ll be staying in my house as long as possible. My mom’s condo fees are just over a grand ( stupid pool) . That’s a bite every month imo.


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I'd be wary of a new condo at any time. One property manager I knew had to sign a demolition order for a new high rise. The geologist goofed on the soil stability.

Where do you live for ten years while they sort that out?

It wasn't the Millennium Tower, the leaning tower of San Francisco.

I would be looking at a resale with maintenance history and stable owners.

Having fixed ramps at hundreds of them there's only a few I'd live in. Some I aren't fit for a dog.

Avoid investment buildings. The owners don't have to live in them and are only interested in ROI. The tenants have no say in budgets.

Maintenance fees are related more to area and amenities than unit value. It doesn't cost a lot more to keep up a quality building than a dump. The dump may actually have higher fees due to riff raff factors.

One thing going through the courts in at least one case is the number of rooms. Someone enclosed their balcony and sold it as a two bedroom plus den.

1) The fire marshal might object as the balcony is normally a area of refuge in case of a fire.

2) There will be little or no electrical power and adding it in a concrete building is difficult technically and a legal nightmare of common and private elements.

3) Unless the owner below did the same thing the floor will be as cold as a hockey rink in winter.
 
If you’re in a well managed condo nobody is enclosing a balcony . Former in laws place , nothing on the balcony could be visible above the railings. Moms place not even window dressing exposed to the outside can be anything but wht / off white / beige . Not everyone likes HOA rules , but you really see the effects of buildings that don’t have / enforce them .


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If you’re in a well managed condo nobody is enclosing a balcony . Former in laws place , nothing on the balcony could be visible above the railings. Moms place not even window dressing exposed to the outside can be anything but wht / off white / beige . Not everyone likes HOA rules , but you really see the effects of buildings that don’t have / enforce them .


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Even in a poorly managed condo, it should be almost impossible. Everything they attached the new wall too, they don't own and aren't allowed to modify without written permission. Sometimes being on the board allows you to get away with crazy things.
 
Luckily we used to live in a boutique condo, only 36 units, and we pretty much knew everyone in the building.

The condo rules were one vehicle per parking spot and no maintenance work to be done on vehicles in the underground parking garage.

We had 11 vehicles scattered over 5 spots and I did do minor install stuff at 2 the morning. Obviously no oil changes...

Did run into some people at that time of night, but with a friendly smile and some short small-talk and we never got a complaint. Lived there for almost 15 years and zero issues.

That isht would never fly in a 1100 unit condo!
 
I predict condo prices in the GTA will continue to fall through 2026 as we see the impact of trade talks, a slowing economy, inflation, higher prices, rising mortgage rates and the general Iran war / energy / supply chain related issues which aren't going away anytime soon.

So, if you looking for a condo, and aren't in a rush to buy, wait 9 - 12 months as prices will continue to slide.
 
I predict condo prices in the GTA will continue to fall through 2026 as we see the impact of trade talks, a slowing economy, inflation, higher prices, rising mortgage rates and the general Iran war / energy / supply chain related issues which aren't going away anytime soon.

So, if you looking for a condo, and aren't in a rush to buy, wait 9 - 12 months as prices will continue to slide.
Most new buildings have shifted to purpose built rental. Thousands of new rental units coming online helps keep condo prices down as it should help keep rental rates down a bit and therefore lower investors bids. Obviously they aren't finished yet but the first batch should be occupied this year.
 
The condo market in Toronto is bifurcated.

On the one side, you have the recent 450-600 sq ft units builds targeted to speculat... *cough* investors to rent out, totally unsuitable for families or long-term rentals. Then you have the older, larger condos 1000 sq ft or more - way more livable and are occupied by owners vs tenants. These will still command premium pricing despite what is happening in the investor condo market.

So yeah, condo prices as a whole continue to plummet, but only because the market is saturated with sub-compact investor units that are just trading hands between speculators in a game of hot potato, and not people actually looking to live in one of those shoeboxes. The larger condos are like hens teeth, difficult to find these days as owners hang onto what they have. These owners won't feel the same kind of sell pressure that investors do as they sit on empty investments, not bringing in any rent to offset their carrying costs.
 
High-rise condo fees are based on square feet. What Canadians think they need square foot wise for a family sized condo is large enough that in most cases condo fees become never ending mortgage size payment. Outside of NA a family size condo is much smaller. We just don't get it.

IMO/IME "family" size high-rise condos only make sense below 1000 sq.ft (that is a very high mark, maybe 800 to 900 makes more sense). What people actually want space wise is much larger, well the fees are crippling and they never stop.
 
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IMO/IME "family" size high-rise condos only make sense below 1000 sq.ft (that is a very high mark, maybe 800 to 900 makes more sense). What people actually want space wise is much larger, well the fees are crippling and they never stop.
A lot is driven my the NA desire (that most consider a need) for one bedroom per child (plus often a spare bedroom). If you try to get a condo with more than two bedrooms, normally one or more "bedrooms" can barely fit a bed. Stacking kids in a single room is a much more efficient use of space.
 
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