Thinking of trading my V-Strom 650XT for the new Himalayan 450 – need your thoughts!

Good question. I do not think there is a right or wrong answer for this but more to do with who you are. The way i see it is as follows: Tube is yesterday's technology and for people who dont mind with the hassle of carrying extra tools and the time to change a tube tire. Tubeless is current tech with more convenience and less hassle when repairing. The type and style of riding i do, i have assessed that the risk of denting a tubeless tire is very low while acknowledging that the risk do exist. I do and planning to do more long distance solo travels and weight/convenience led me to discard tube tires entirely.
I've dented a rim on a back road pothole here in Ontario. Nearly every year we hear stories of people complaining about damaged wheels on their cars from bad road surface in Toronto.

A pair of tire levers and a patch kit probably weight about the same as a 500ml bottle of water.

If you're actually planning some version of RTW or well off the beaten path in far off locations, tubed tires and minimal electronics seem to me to be the way to go.
 
OP - most of the throttle locks slip - the bar ends ones don't but I find them awkward to engage.
Oddly enough this cheapy seems to hold best with friction tape.

You should get checked for carpal tunnel which is an easy test to arrange. Surgery is while you wait these days and a couple of weeks to heal....it is very non-invasive.

BTW are you a member at StromTrooper?
and also ADVRider?
 
I've dented a rim on a back road pothole here in Ontario. Nearly every year we hear stories of people complaining about damaged wheels on their cars from bad road surface in Toronto.

A pair of tire levers and a patch kit probably weight about the same as a 500ml bottle of water.

If you're actually planning some version of RTW or well off the beaten path in far off locations, tubed tires and minimal electronics seem to me to be the way to go.
A plug kit for tubeless tires weighs almost nothing and a puncture is fixed in a minute.

Spooning off a ADV size motorcycle tire on the side of the road isn't my idea of a fun afternoon.
 
Some thoughts:

Weight seems to be an issue stopping you from off-roading, so don't move from your 476lb V-Strom to another bike in the same weight class (460lb Transalp, 450lb T7, 460lb KLR650, 474lb Tiger 800Xcx). A 25lb weight loss is negligible and will do nothing to ease your trepidation, no matter how much more travel suspension or ground clearance you're going to gain. If anything, the increased seat height will make you more fearful of venturing off the pavement.

I think you should try to learn dirt on a much lighter bike. Don't worry about tubed/tubeless, cruise control, etc. right now. Focus on skills development and comfort. Take a lesson at TrailTours or Clinton Smout's Smart Performance Centre.

If you can afford it, pick up a much smaller dirt-oriented thumper dual-sport, like a WR250, CRF300L, KLX300, 250 XCF to learn on. These bikes are in a totally different weight class (ranging from 250-325lbs) and will make you feel much more comfortable in the loose stuff. Picking the bike up when you inevitably drop it will not be an issue, especially when you are riding solo. These bikes also survive drops a lot better than big-bore, multi-cylinder adventure bikes, not incurring as much damage or costing $$$ to fix in the event of an off. All this leads to much better learning environment as you push the envelope of your comfort level instead of always being scared of dropping your heavy, expensive adventure bike.

These off-road riding skills that you're building are 100% transferable from small bikes to larger bikes. You can go back and forth from your thumper to your V-Strom to measure your progress and try new skills that you've picked up on the smaller bike. This will also educate your butt on what makes a motorcycle good off-road as you move back and forth from a dirt-bike-oriented suspension to a street-biased one. When you go shopping for your next big-bike, you will know exactly what to look for on your test ride.

What this will eventually lead to is your ability to take much larger bikes off-road, which will also provide a more comfortable ride on pavement. I have much more confidence riding my 550lb R1250GS in dirt because of the time I spent learning on a 250lb enduro. Being comfortable on a larger, heavier bike will open your shopping list up to motorcycles that will also have the technologies you're looking for, like factory cruise control and cross-spoked wheels that terminate at the lip so you can run tubeless tires. Features that smaller bikes may not have as standard.

Speaking of, while you're at it, learn how to change an inner tube.

I know you're hesitant about going tubed, but the BDRs you are aspiring to ride carry a high risk of denting a rim, especially when you're a newb and you're not adept at making your front end lighter with the throttle to hop over rocks and obstacles that you can't easily avoid.

Denting a rim and losing air on a forest service road is not a critical event - you call CAA and they will come out and tow you out.
Denting a rim on the SoCal BDR means either fixing it yourself, or paying for a very expensive 4x4 rescue service to climb rocks to bring your bike out.

My buddy dented a rim on his 1290 Super Adventure R with tubeless wheels on the WABDR, which is considered to be one of the easiest BDRs to tackle. Like you, he thought his chances of denting a rim was low, so he didn't carry tubes or irons. Luckily I was, so we were able to get him out from the middle of nowhere back to civilization ourselves without calling for an expensive tow.

Tubes are not old technology. They are synonymous with off-road. I have dented rims on all my off-road bikes. It can even also happen on paved roads with potholes, especially when you are traveling through developing countries... or Quebec. Tubes also allow you to drop the air pressure to very low psi for increased grip in loose surfaces without risk of the tire unseating off the bead.

You can certainly run a tubeless tire for most of your travels so you're able to plug holes with an easy-to-use plug kit, but I'd always carry a tube and irons as a backup, so you can ride away from a dented rim when you are riding solo and out of cell service range with no one around to help you. Cultivating self-sufficiency in the event of *any* malfunction, no matter how low the odds are, is a critical skill when riding off-road solo.

There are other technologies like Tubliss and mousse which mitigate having to change a tube, but they come with their own disadvantages. Tubes are tried and true and are a universal fix all around the world. I had a puncture in India, a guy in straw hut nearby fixing kid's bicycles took off my wheel and tire and patched my tube for $0.50 while we went off and got a drink.
 
I just finished putting on my IED bomb suit so here goes.
With virtually ALL the larger displacement ADV bikes weight is irrelevant (there I said it).
Why ? By the time the Starbucks Angels finish installing the hard saddlebags, top boxes, bash bars, skid plates, centre stand kits, driving lights, extra comfy seats, cruise controls, hot grips and (possibly) oversize gas tanks they are gravel road pig dogs just like any Harley cruiser.
Buy a middle displacement dual sport/ADV bike, toss on a tank bag plus something like SHAD soft luggage and give 'er.
Any of them will get you to Tuk and back again if that's your wont.
 
I just finished putting on my IED bomb suit so here goes.
With virtually ALL the larger displacement ADV bikes weight is irrelevant (there I said it).
Why ? By the time the Starbucks Angels finish installing the hard saddlebags, top boxes, bash bars, skid plates, centre stand kits, driving lights, extra comfy seats, cruise controls, hot grips and (possibly) oversize gas tanks they are gravel road pig dogs just like any Harley cruiser.
Buy a middle displacement dual sport/ADV bike, toss on a tank bag plus something like SHAD soft luggage and give 'er.
Any of them will get you to Tuk and back again if that's your wont.

You can put away the IED bomb suit around me. No argument here.

Only thing I'd be wary of is using a term like "middle displacement" or "middleweight" when talking about ADV bikes.

The industry has co-opted this term and applied it to bikes that, to me, are very heavy historically-speaking.

When I bought my R1200GS in 2005, it weighed 500 lbs and pushed out 100 hp. Its competitor, the same-year 990 Adventure weighed 510 lbs and also 105 hp. Those were considered the flagship heavyweight ADVs in BMW and KTM's lineup.

Today, my 2024 DesertX weighs 500 lbs and pushes out 110 hp. My wife's 2023 Norden 901 weighs 492 lbs and makes 105 hp. All the manufacturers and the moto-press have dubbed our bikes and all others in the class as "middle-weight". And now the new heavyweights are 550+ lbs and making 150+hp.

Middleweight my ass.

A true middleweight is a 350lb 690 Enduro R. A lightweight is a 280lb CRF450L. The passage of time should not change these labels.

#sorrynotsorry

Maybe it's *me* that should be putting on my IED bomb suit...

come at me gtam
 
OP,

Just do it and don’t question it. Most regrets I’ve heard are from people that said, I had a chance to try this or buy that AND DIDN’T.

You’ve done the research, others can chime in with their opinions. At the end of the day, you have some valid thoughts and want to give it a try. Do it.

What is the downside of making the change?
 
OP,

Just do it and don’t question it. Most regrets I’ve heard are from people that said, I had a chance to try this or buy that AND DIDN’T.

You’ve done the research, others can chime in with their opinions. At the end of the day, you have some valid thoughts and want to give it a try. Do it.

What is the downside of making the change?
Bingo. It's just a motorcycle - a thing. If you don't like it or it doesn't work out just get something else.
 
Agree with the above --^

If you can afford it, buying and trying out different bikes will give you much needed hands-on education, as opposed to reading the opinions of people online who may have vastly different experience and use cases from the goals you have set for yourself.

"India? Why TF is he talking about India?!? I just want to want to ride The Grange Sideroad without fear of dropping my bike when I leave Higher Ground at the Forks of the Credit..."
 
He's looking at a new bike from the reading and between instant depreciation and dealing with 13% sales tax on flipping unless you are going through a dealer it's a very expensive proposition....especially if you bring farkles into it....many are bike specific.

When you see where Itchy Boots got to on her CRF300 Rally ( 152 KG ) and the number of times low weight got her out of trouble as a solo remote rider it's clear that's a prime factor.
 
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He's looking at a new bike from the reading and between instant depreciation and charging 13% sales tax on flipping unless you are going through a dealer it's a very expensive proposition....especially if you bring farkles into it....many are bike specific.

If you haven't noticed, there are a lot of ballers on GTAM.

Check out the "I buy and sell motorcycles on a whim, like I breathe air" folks in this thread:


;)
 
Royal Enfield is a good choice. Old Vintage Cranks has a couple of lightly used units. People buy dual purpose bikes and quickly discover Ontario doesn't offer places to legally ride them.
I still think Yamaha is best. 700 or 1200. See my "Wheres Wingboy" thread. Two months, 22,000km. Zero hiccups.
 
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Not my idea of fun either, but a plug isn't fixing a flat caused by a dented rim.
I guess you can always carry a tube & spoons. That covers the worst case scenario.
 
If you're considering the RE, then you should also look at the CFMoto Ibex 450 and the KTM 390 Adventure R.

And if you're willing to wait about a year, the BMW F450GS is another possibility.

I do have a blacklist and unfortunately BMW and KTM are in there. No disrespect to anyone. CF Moto may be a contender but low on the list as they are trying to follow KTM strategy of luring riders into subscription for features that are already built in a bike.
 
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