GTI is an amazing car and I wish I could've made it work for our family.
I wouldn't classify it as a 'sports car' specifically because everyone has their own definition, but a quick car...definitely.
Best all arounder I've driven in my lifetime.
Daily sports car?
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I wouldn't classify it as a 'sports car' specifically because everyone has their own definition, but a quick car...definitely.
Best all arounder I've driven in my lifetime.
Another car that I was really disappointed to see discontinued was the Acura RSX Type S coupe. It was a really nice little package. I wish they would bring back an updated version. I’ve heard rumors that they were bringing back the name on a new model but it would be a 4 door electric or hybrid so not really the same, just a marketing ploy to cash in on what was once a great car.
AllistonGT
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Agreed. Mines 10 years old and I still enjoy the ride. She's quick.
Mad Mike
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CTS V for me, my wife can have a GTI.
Because the Nurburgring is a race track, not a drag strip. Vehicles still have to brake and turn instead of just stomping on the loud pedal and keeping your foot buried there. Anyone who watches racing knows that late-braking, high corner and exit speeds are the keys to lap times and winning races. Fastest trap speeds often have very little correlation to race wins.
Porsche has always been known as a "giant-killer" in racing, relying on lighter weight and nimbleness to beat their larger-displacement competitors (including Corvettes) in GT Racing.
Shaman
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This has already been correctly answered, but here's more of a question for you:
How much more poorly does that car grip (handling is really not the same thing) and how poor must its cornering speeds be compared to the 518hp car with 540hp less but more like 700tq deficiency, which is equally important to corner exits and straight speeds?
Ponder THAT.
FYI being in a GT3 RS at 6:47 lap times must be akin to being in a paint shaker. You'd want to be strapped in tight, that's for sure.
BRG 550hp supercharged sports coupe is about right...just pack some donuts for the cops; you'll either get stopped for a glare and finger wagging or they will want to take pics and ask questions.
MCT
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Having spent 3 days in one, it is stiffer than my GTS in Sport Mode, but certainly not even close to unbearable. In fact, I'd buy either the GT3 Touring or the GT3 but I hate the glass panel dashes in these 992 series. I much prefer the real instrument panel in my 991.1 and 430 HP is plenty and quite useless on public roads.
But looking at both videos, the poor guy in the Vette is overdriving it just by looking how the front end jiggles left-right coming into turns and out of turns.
I would have expected at least a 10 to 15 second advantage due to pulling out of a turn with all that massive torque and there are quite a few long straights on that track to pick up speed. The weight might be the issue.
And the last ultra-long straight before coming into the pits, the Vette has a 20 MPH speed difference. That is a lot.
There’s a reason Miata MX-5 is so popular in autocross.
It’s low on power, but also very low on weight and with the right suspension and brakes it rides like it’s on rails.
Power is great, but you need to be able to control it.
I’m sure plenty of track riders here have seen 250-500cc bikes catch 1000cc bikes on courses with lots of tight directional changes.
It’s low on power, but also very low on weight and with the right suspension and brakes it rides like it’s on rails.
Power is great, but you need to be able to control it.
I’m sure plenty of track riders here have seen 250-500cc bikes catch 1000cc bikes on courses with lots of tight directional changes.
As stated before, fastest trap speed does not necessarily translate to fast lap times or race wins.
Here is a motorcycle example:
The Ducati Desmosedici GP8 was the fastest motorcycle in a straight line on the GP grid that year. By far.
Marco Melandri, one of the smallest and lightest jockeys consistently set *the* fastest trap speeds on the GP8 in *every* race on the calendar.
He also finished *second-last* in the world championship, coming in last or second-last in the majority of races that year.
For the Valencia race and on their highest respective top speed runs, Melandri was 11 km/h faster on the straightaway than Andrea Dovizioso on the Honda. On their average top speed, Melandri was 13 km/h faster. That is a *HUGE* delta in terms of speed on a 4km-long racetrack.
Dovi finished 4th in that race. Melandri finished dead last...
It takes more than just hp and top speed to do well on a racetrack with corners. You need to be able to stop the vehicle and turn the vehicle quickly as well.
MCT
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This is a video I came across some time ago and I was observing the speed differential down the straights, but I also noticed how the slower car caught up during braking.
Z06 vs GT4 RS : American Power Meets German Engineering at COTA
Z06 vs GT4 RS : American Power Meets German Engineering at COTA
Shaman
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As I came to the (potentially not to the) end of my racing efforts, I started braking so much deeper that old me and more recent me couldn't be compared in lap time, and man does it make a difference. I did it in the car but it took me a lot of mental effort to brake that deep on a bike.
POWERMAN
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Does the Jag have AWD?
Honestly when it comes to performance I believe any performance car above 300 lb-ft of torque should have awd.
Otherwise it is a real struggle to put the power down...or maybe Im just a bad driver lol
It does!
Was the wife in the car with “old me”?
Shaman
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Both my wives, current and past, have sampled the brakes on the 911. Both think it's ridiculous.
And me? I think I need stickier tires.
