Let's talk about the ELEPHANT in the room (certifications)

[PrivatePilot]

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Can you get a newer bike certified with a deleted cat?

Mechanics are going to be more worried about the muffler - I doubt many would notice a missing cat, and even fewer would probably care if they did know. I don't see anything in the veribage that would specifically matter when it comes to cat vs muffler. Only if we had emissions testing would it be a problem, and that's not an issue.

 

[Fuzzbuster]

Friend recently got a safety done for an R6 here in Ottawa.
Price across all motorcycle dealerships for the safety are $319 plus tax.

Failed for:

• Leaking right fork seal (shop was supposed to perform the fork service BEFORE the inspection but didn't)
• Front Tire (Enough tread, but aging and cracks visible)
• Rear rotor thickness (4.5mm thickness min. 4.48 measured)
• Tinted windscreen
• Fender Eliminator - They wanted the OEM "mud guard" fender in place - even though all 3 reflectors in place and turn signals properly mounted 9 inch apart.

Aftermarket Hindle exhaust wasn't an issue.

Hope this helps.

Excellent information!
This is the information that people need to know as opposed to opinions or theories.
What year R6?

 

[timtune]

Excellent information!
This is the information that people need to know as opposed to opinions or theories.
What year R6?

Really? The exact same could have been the case before the change. This tells us nothing about the new testing procedures.
The specs have not changed just the documentations of those specs.

 

[Fuzzbuster]

Really? The exact same could have been the case before the change. This tells us nothing about the new testing procedures.
The specs have not changed just the documentations of those specs.

Provided the information is correct it describes a real life scenario.
Cost
Failed fork seal, tire for age/cracks, tinted screen and tidy tail.
Aftermarket exhaust not an issue.
In most cases prior to the change some of those items would have passed. To simply say that the rules are the same is not accurate because it was not scrutinized in real time by a government paid watchdog.

 

[timtune]

In most cases prior to the change some of those items would have passed. To simply say that the rules are the same is not accurate because it was not scrutinized in real time by a government paid watchdog.

They were all fails in the past as they are now. The fact that some were willing to let it slide in the past does not mean the rules have changed. Lots of shops would have failed those same items in the past.

 

[Fuzzbuster]

They were all fails in the past as they are now. The fact that some were willing to let it slide in the past does mean the rules have changed. Lots of shops would have failed those same items in the past.

Ok

 

[DonWiley]

Friend recently got a safety done for an R6 here in Ottawa.
Price across all motorcycle dealerships for the safety are $319 plus tax.

Much cheaper many places around GTA and Kitchener-Waterloo. $220-$250 now. (bike dependent, rear drum brake models require disassembly for photos of brake shoes which is more labour) Wouldn't apply to R6.

 

[xrljoel]

Dropped my new-to-me 1982 BMW R100RS off at Airheads in Kitchener for a complete going over and refresh where necessary.

George commented that the new safety regime has NO CHANGES TO SPECIFICATIONS but requires photos of components. Which means removing a wheel for drum brakes as mentioned previously for example. All that will end up costing more without question, and will mean some previous "loose" safety's will not be possible anymore.

For example, as an off road rider I have known countless guys who would license (blue plate) their YZ/CR/KX/RM etc. dirt bike from new and quite a few who could present a used one for an inspection and walk away with a certification if they knew the right shop. Hells bells I'm guilty as my KTM 300EXC was blue plated back in 1999. Between the ministry cracking down on vin numbers and the new inspection/certification regime those days are over, and I'm OK with it. As long as it's all done consistently then have at it.

The issue for older or vintage bikes lies in the fact that many shops don't want to do inspections for these. In my opinion it's because the techs they have working for them don't know anything (or at least much) about disassembling or servicing older bikes. I highly doubt a mechanic at a BMW dealer would have the vaguest idea about servicing/rebuilding the carbs on my R100 and any of the other things we older riders take for granted.

It could also be that shops nowadays can't afford to spend the time on older machines. Much better to read the fault code, order the parts, do the install, ring up the bill and move on to the next job.

My fiends' step son got his ticket as a mechanic but without a code scanner he hasn't a clue what's going on. Well, I guess it could be argued that he hasn't got a clue period but that's a different matter.

As for the increased cost, they stopped collecting yearly license plate fees so regardless of the increased inspection costs and UVIP costs we're still ahead.

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