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GreyGhost said:
Why bother invading? Just steal as much water as they want. What repurcussions would there be? A sternly worded letter from sock boy?
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To (handpicked) media while hiding out at his cottage at Harrington Lake.
 
GreyGhost said:
Why bother invading? Just steal as much water as they want. What repurcussions would there be? A sternly worded letter from sock boy?
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The current PM will obviously not the PM for life and at some point there will be another....

Repercussions? Lots of our fresh water is not just the Great Lakes.... Shutdown oil supply. Shutdown seaway. Damn up the rivers feeding the lakes from our side. Food supply. Other energy. Trade war. It all costs us, it all costs them. All reasons if they want to take lots of the water (where lake levels actually drop) without hassle they need to have full control (invasion or puppet), key term here is lots not just skimming....
 
jc100 said:
There’s a bunch of things going on here and they all add up to a disaster happening in plain sight that’s being ignored.

Almond and avocado farmers using massive amounts of water to feed crops that really have no business being grown there but, they are lucrative crops, and the farmers are rich and powerful so the charade goes on. Golf courses that crop up everywhere that swallow masses of water and avoid water bans because the members of the clubs come from their green water sprinkler gardened oases in the desert to play and they are rich and powerful too.

One day another nutter will get into the White House, look at where US border lines cross and then ask for their half of the water in the Great Lakes with the border lines in to water their favourite golf courses and then we are really in trouble.
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Almonds and Avocados need water, but on a relative scale, they are relatively efficient compared to farming other stuff. For example, a gallon of almond milk requires about 100 gallons of water to produce the almonds, and process them into milk. A cow needs about 880 gallons of water to make a gallon of milk. The same goes for a cup of almonds -- about 100 gallons of water, and a cup of steak about 1500 gallons of water.

I had 8 each of Avacado, orange, and lemon on my hillside property -- they did not get irrigated and produced way more than I could use.
 
Mad Mike said:
Almonds and Avocados need water, but on a relative scale, they are relatively efficient compared to farming other stuff. For example, a gallon of almond milk requires about 100 gallons of water to produce the almonds, and process them into milk. A cow needs about 880 gallons of water to make a gallon of milk. The same goes for a cup of almonds -- about 100 gallons of water, and a cup of steak about 1500 gallons of water.

I had 8 each of Avacado, orange, and lemon on my hillside property -- they did not get irrigated and produced way more than I could use.
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From what I know though the almond farms are enormous and as avocados have become the new green gold more and more of those are being planted on mega farms. It’s not the small scale guys that are the issue, it’s the industrial size ones causing the issues.
 
Great now there is going to be a "water shortage/supply issue" here and they can jack the price of that up, like everything else.
 
They can just buy water from Nestle who's getting it free anyways. Hook up an extra pipe. Who's to know?
 
jc100 said:
From what I know though the almond farms are enormous and as avocados have become the new green gold more and more of those are being planted on mega farms. It’s not the small scale guys that are the issue, it’s the industrial size ones causing the issues.
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The size of a farm isn't relevant as far as agricultural acreage - a 1000-acre industrial farm has the same area as 10x100 acre family farms.

The type of farms is relevant. The industrial farms are enormous, thousands of acres-- not traditional 100-acre family farms. There are no farmhouses or barns, equipment moves from field to field on flatbed transport trucks, and labor on busses.

Industrial farms are generally more friendly as they invest in technology and expertise to reduce irrigation loads and other farm input costs. I remember Dole using drip under polyethylene to cut water costs by 50x over sprinklers, and pesticide use by almost entirely. Small local farmers used giant sprinklers for irrigation and sprayed pesticides on everything.

Overall I believe tree farming uses a lot less irrigation than annual crops. Good thing Millenials have a taste for Almond milk and Avocado toast - they grow on trees. Could be worse if they craved berries and melons - they need a lot more irrigation.
 
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in case of any lingering doubts about AGW reality

a few years ahead of time
Dr Simon Lee @SimonLeeWx
In 2020, the @metoffice produced a hypothetical weather forecast for 23 July 2050 based on UK climate projections.

Today, the forecast for Tuesday is shockingly almost identical for large parts of the country.
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GreyGhost said:
Really? You refer to temperature on a single day as proof of global warming? You know better than that. Any given day is statistically insignificant.
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It’s actually hilarious as I know some people that dispute global warming because we’ve had a cold spring….

‘Where’s your global warming now MP??? Huh huh huh? Bet you feel pretty effing stupid.’
 
Really? You refer to temperature on a single day as proof of global warming? You know better than that. Any given day is statistically insignificant.
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It's not when it breaks existing records by a signficant amount and reflects a projection that was expected to occur 30 years in the future.
You are implying a single day ( in this case a few days ) of record breaking heat are insignificant and that is simply not true when looked at in the chain of continually increasing extreme weather events that is both killing people and the biome.
www.nytimes.com

Why Europe Is Becoming a Heat Wave Hot Spot

This year’s scorching weather is in keeping with a trend. Scientists say a number of factors, including changes in the jet stream, are in play.
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Oaks no longer can grow in England, it's too warm, olive trees are the most popular shade tree.

Predictions are a useful gauge as to the models they are based on....in this case one event came 28 years ahead of the prediction ....climatologists will examine if this is an anomaly or if they are understating the risk of extreme heat waves.
I suspect the latter.

Temperature records tumble in early, intense heatwave

An unusually early and intense heatwave spread up from North Africa through Europe ahead of the Summer Solstice, bringing temperatures more typical of those witnessed in July or August. In some parts of Spain and France, temperatures are more than 10°C higher than the average for this time of...
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Only 5% of UK homes have AC...as a policy advisor experiencing the reality of truly intense heat in an environment ill equipped...what step would you advise the goverment to take?
Ignore it as statistically insignificant ?
 
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