Left-Turn Calming Pilot

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The Left-Turn Calming Pilot will see rubber speed bumps installed at eight intersections throughout the city. These simple infrastructure additions will “harden” the centerline and encourage drivers to approach the crosswalk at a sharper angle instead of cutting across intersections diagonally, resulting in slower turning speeds and better visibility of people walking and cycling.
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I can see immediately see 3 problems with this scenario if this is indeed an accurate representation of what is proposed.

1: The left tuning vehicle will more often than not end up in the curb lane increasing the chance of a collision with a vehicle making a right turn from the opposing side. I see this all too often already and this will only exacerbate the issue.

2: Vehicles in the oncoming lane cannot make a safe left turn at the same time.

3: The left turning vehicle will be so far into the intersection that they won't be visible to oncoming traffic should there be left turning vehicles on the same side.
 
spitRR said:
I haven't this posted yet, so here goes...



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News Release May 9, 2025 The City of Toronto has officially launched the 43rd annual Toronto Employment Survey – a citywide study that gathers information about business activity and employment across Toronto. The survey, running until Friday, August 29, will include in-person visits to more...
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1420695217146142721

E7dSxI_XMAUSGid


I can see immediately see 3 problems with this scenario if this is indeed an accurate representation of what is proposed.

1: The left tuning vehicle will more often than not end up in the curb lane increasing the chance of a collision with a vehicle making a right turn from the opposing side. I see this all too often already and this will only exacerbate the issue.

2: Vehicles in the oncoming lane cannot make a safe left turn at the same time.

3: The left turning vehicle will be so far into the intersection that they won't be visible to oncoming traffic should there be left turning vehicles on the same side.
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This looks like a good idea but one that shouldn’t be necessary if drivers could actually drive.
 
What will the impact be to tractor-trailers and buses? What if drivers learn to see these curbs like me, i.e. my car will probably barely even notice them? But they don't look like these will make intersections impassable, and as long as this truly is a pilot and they make decisions based on new data then I guess we'll see?
 
spitRR said:
I haven't this posted yet, so here goes...



www.toronto.ca

News Releases & Other Resources

News Release May 9, 2025 The City of Toronto has officially launched the 43rd annual Toronto Employment Survey – a citywide study that gathers information about business activity and employment across Toronto. The survey, running until Friday, August 29, will include in-person visits to more...
www.toronto.ca www.toronto.ca
https://twitter.com/x/status/1420695217146142721

E7dSxI_XMAUSGid


I can see immediately see 3 problems with this scenario if this is indeed an accurate representation of what is proposed.

1: The left tuning vehicle will more often than not end up in the curb lane increasing the chance of a collision with a vehicle making a right turn from the opposing side. I see this all too often already and this will only exacerbate the issue.

2: Vehicles in the oncoming lane cannot make a safe left turn at the same time.

3: The left turning vehicle will be so far into the intersection that they won't be visible to oncoming traffic should there be left turning vehicles on the same side.
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1. Left turners need to yield to right turners anyways. I never complete a turn while people are making right turns. What if they go wide? Nope!
 
Evoex said:
1. Left turners need to yield to right turners anyways. I never complete a turn while people are making right turns. What if they go wide? Nope!
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They also should be turning into the left lane. Many drift to the right lane which is an HTA infraction already.
 
I never do a right turn timed in a way that an oncoming left-turner would arrive at the same time. If the left turner is already moving, I'll hold back to slot in behind them if they go straight into the right lane. If the left turner is stopped and I can get my right turn done ahead of them, I will. Never arrive beside them.
 
Brian P said:
I never do a right turn timed in a way that an oncoming left-turner would arrive at the same time. If the left turner is already moving, I'll hold back to slot in behind them if they go straight into the right lane. If the left turner is stopped and I can get my right turn done ahead of them, I will. Never arrive beside them.
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If I'm making a left and see a right turner trying to arrive at the same time, I alter my speed. Too many dumb people.
 
Drivers/riders should almost always treat left turns at intersections as "late Apex" anyway. It's safer. This just forces drivers/riders to do so.

..Tom
 
V-Tom said:
Drivers/riders should almost always treat left turns at intersections as "late Apex" anyway. It's safer. This just forces drivers/riders to do so.

..Tom
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True. The after picture they presented does show a potential pitfall though. If there are two opposing left-turners, their paths intersect if they use late apex but miss if they use the normal lazy long corner. That leaves them to either alternate (basically impossible with the level of entitlement out there) or do a modified path that is decreasing radius.
 
Looks like a race track curb to me! The last photo is literally a nightmare with all the man hole covers as well as the curb!
 
GreyGhost said:
They also should be turning into the left lane. Many drift to the right lane which is an HTA infraction already.
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Bricks before brains solution. Is the left into right a specific charge or the catch-all of "Turn not in safety"?

If it's an actual specific piece of legislation park a squad car at Eva Road and the West Mall where 90% break the law. Traffic safety will continue to be a S*** subject until they start fixing the real problem. If a driver's arthritis is so bad they can't turn the wheels few more degrees they shouldn't be driving.
 
nobbie48 said:
Bricks before brains solution. Is the left into right a specific charge or the catch-all of "Turn not in safety"?

If it's an actual specific piece of legislation park a squad car at Eva Road and the West Mall where 90% break the law. Traffic safety will continue to be a S*** subject until they start fixing the real problem. If a driver's arthritis is so bad they can't turn the wheels few more degrees they shouldn't be driving.
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HTA 141 (6) and (7). So you need to leave the intersection in the lane you started in. Drifting right after that point would be a lane changing ticket not an intersection ticket.

Left turn, at intersection​

(6) Where a driver or operator of a vehicle intends to turn to the left into an intersecting highway, he or she shall, where the highway on which he or she is driving has marked lanes for traffic, approach the intersection within the left-hand lane provided for the use of traffic moving in the direction in which his or her vehicle is proceeding or, where it has no such marked lanes, by keeping immediately to the right of the centre line of the highway and he or she shall make the left turn by entering the intersection to the right of the centre line or its extension and by leaving the intersection in the left-hand lane provided for the use of traffic moving in the direction in which his or her vehicle is proceeding where the lane is marked or, where no such lane is marked, by passing immediately to the right of the centre line of the intersecting highway. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (6).

Left turn, where multiple lanes​

(7) Despite subsection (6), where more than one lane of a highway has been designated as a left-turn lane, the driver or operator of a vehicle intending to turn to the left into an intersecting highway shall approach the intersection in one of the lanes and leave the intersection in the lane of the intersecting highway that corresponds to the lane from which the turn was commenced. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (7).
 
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