Then why post the Chicken Little nonsense about cows dropping dead in the field?
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Then why post the Chicken Little nonsense about cows dropping dead in the field?
J_F
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and for what it's worth
it has been scientifically disproven that you can infect your dog and vice versa
not to say that your dog could not come home with the virus on their coat
in that instance they are no different that any other inert surface capable of storage
but they will not make you sick from this and they are not going to die off from it
not going to quote a source as it's a lengthy read and gets pretty heavy
but to summarize: the host at the cellular level needs to have chemistry susceptible to infection
ie: protein makeup of the cell needs to allow the virus to invade and replicate it's own RNA (cousin to DNA)
after this, the cell dies and breaks open, releasing more copies of the virus to invade neighboring cells
so while other species may be exposed to the virus
if they do not have susceptible cellular structure
there is no replication possible and cannot be made ill or be infectious carriers
it has been scientifically disproven that you can infect your dog and vice versa
not to say that your dog could not come home with the virus on their coat
in that instance they are no different that any other inert surface capable of storage
but they will not make you sick from this and they are not going to die off from it
not going to quote a source as it's a lengthy read and gets pretty heavy
but to summarize: the host at the cellular level needs to have chemistry susceptible to infection
ie: protein makeup of the cell needs to allow the virus to invade and replicate it's own RNA (cousin to DNA)
after this, the cell dies and breaks open, releasing more copies of the virus to invade neighboring cells
so while other species may be exposed to the virus
if they do not have susceptible cellular structure
there is no replication possible and cannot be made ill or be infectious carriers
I think I commented earlier about a commercial hog operation having better sanitation protocols than a restaurant. Change into clean clothes before entering, including boots.
blackcamaro
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Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a virus (more specifically, a coronavirus) identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.
CDC has zero evidence to suggest pets or other wildlife can get Covid-19 from people.
However they do recommend using caution if you’re sick with Covid-19 and try to stay away from your pets. To me that’s common sense and better safe then sorry.
Trials
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"if they do not have susceptible cellular structure"
Lungs pretty much operate the same in anything that breaths give or take the normal body temperature.
let me google that for you: animal human donors
"Since they are the closest relatives to humans, non-human primates were first considered as a potential organ source for xenotransplantation to humans. ... Current experiments in xenotransplantation most often use pigs as the donor, and baboons as human models."
Baboons are nasty animals.
Some of you guys actually think human beings are not just another animal don't you!
Lungs pretty much operate the same in anything that breaths give or take the normal body temperature.
let me google that for you: animal human donors
"Since they are the closest relatives to humans, non-human primates were first considered as a potential organ source for xenotransplantation to humans. ... Current experiments in xenotransplantation most often use pigs as the donor, and baboons as human models."
Baboons are nasty animals.
Some of you guys actually think human beings are not just another animal don't you!
I'm not a doctor but I do know that viruses rely on species-specific DNA in their host. The coronavirus from a human could very easily be breathed in by some other animal, but it won't do anything unless it finds cell structures and DNA that are close enough. This is why your dog can't catch a human cold (also a coronavirus). Non-human primates (apes, chimps, etc) MAY have DNA that is close enough.
J_F
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it doesn't matter how anything operates
virus infection happens at the cellular level
if the host does not have the correct protein structure
the virus cannot get in to replicate
as always
complete inability/unwillingness to comprehend or read up on anything
and you managed to fluke out a correct guess
primates being our nearest genetic species
are strongly considered as a possible intermediary species link
it has been shown that they can be infected by some corona viruses
but we're not talking about monkeys
we're talking about dogs and cows dropping dead from Covid 19
it is not, and will not happen, it's biologically not possible
nice sunny day
I'm going riding
shame this thread ended in RR
but it has been infected with blatant ignorance
proper place for it
Ciao
virus infection happens at the cellular level
if the host does not have the correct protein structure
the virus cannot get in to replicate
as always
complete inability/unwillingness to comprehend or read up on anything
and you managed to fluke out a correct guess
primates being our nearest genetic species
are strongly considered as a possible intermediary species link
it has been shown that they can be infected by some corona viruses
but we're not talking about monkeys
we're talking about dogs and cows dropping dead from Covid 19
it is not, and will not happen, it's biologically not possible
nice sunny day
I'm going riding
shame this thread ended in RR
but it has been infected with blatant ignorance
proper place for it
Ciao
Supporting information: Is Your Pet Making You Sick?
To those in denial, how many dead would change their minds and how close would those have to be to you?
The Roman Legions practiced decimation as punishment for mutiny or mass desertion. One soldier in ten would be executed.
I think there was some deep thinking to come up with the ratio. If you were in line and one in ten was getting his throat cut you couldn't be more than five away from the victim.
If it was one in a hundred you could be a reasonable distance away. Obviously if it was a dear friend or relative the distance is mentally shortened.
What number would get people thinking?
The Roman Legions practiced decimation as punishment for mutiny or mass desertion. One soldier in ten would be executed.
I think there was some deep thinking to come up with the ratio. If you were in line and one in ten was getting his throat cut you couldn't be more than five away from the victim.
If it was one in a hundred you could be a reasonable distance away. Obviously if it was a dear friend or relative the distance is mentally shortened.
What number would get people thinking?
If the videos showing conditions in Italian hospitals aren't enough, I don't know what will be. There is way too much "it won't happen here", or "it won't happen to me", or "it's just the flu". Some Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that single-payer health care systems (like the rest of the world uses) are "socialist", the work of the devil somehow, and that their system is somehow better than everyone else's. ("I don't want to pay for my neighbor's bad habits! Those are MY tax dollars!") They are about to learn a hard lesson that no matter how the system works, there are only a finite number of hospital beds, and a finite amount of equipment available to be used, and a finite number of doctors and nurses - and those doctors and nurses are more vulnerable to getting this disease than anyone else.
So far, the only country to have successfully kicked this virus out, and in a reasonable amount of time ... has been China. And it was by taking authoritarian measures. Sometimes that's the way it's gotta get done.
So far, the only country to have successfully kicked this virus out, and in a reasonable amount of time ... has been China. And it was by taking authoritarian measures. Sometimes that's the way it's gotta get done.
bigpoppa
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And south korea apparently has also done well
South Korea is really close to having it beat. And it looks like they will come through this with relatively few deaths. They did it by jumping on the case quickly and being ready for mass testing and quarantining before the virus got there.
One thing both C and SK are finding is that now that they've beaten it back on their own ground, they have to screen and quarantine EVERY person who comes in from any other country to avoid the virus coming in again and taking hold. (The last few days, the only cases that C is reporting are from people coming into the country)
The USA had more time to react ... and wasted it.
One thing both C and SK are finding is that now that they've beaten it back on their own ground, they have to screen and quarantine EVERY person who comes in from any other country to avoid the virus coming in again and taking hold. (The last few days, the only cases that C is reporting are from people coming into the country)
The USA had more time to react ... and wasted it.
Mad Mike
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I think you might not understand the difference between health care and public health -- there is a distinct difference between them.
This is public health pandemic. Is the US guilty of a delayed reaction - yes, but a one-payer system wouldn't make that any different than Italy or Iran.
China was able to contain faster because they closed off Wuhan before it became an epidemic. I'm sure when the dust settles the Chinese Gov't is gonna face some heat for suppressing info in the disease and allowing carriers to leave for all corners of the globe before sounding the alarm.
That's just words. The people who really need to get something done, are already on it. Best thing Trump could do now is just stay out of the way and make sure there aren't bureaucrats or red tape hanging up the works. And shut down non-essential businessplaces.
Here in Ontario, governments have actually done some useful things with a view towards staying out of the way. Delaying the income tax deadline and payments was a good move. Ontario postponing license plate and drivers license renewals - lets the ServiceOntario places either shut down or have fewer people in them (hopefully no lineups - social distancing), gives people a break before they have to pay that bill. Several transit services have cancelled transit fare payments - lets people get on and off the bus at the back away from the driver, for one thing, and takes financial pressure off some people who can't afford it. Some municipalities have postponed tax payments and water bill payments. It's all little things, but it helps.
Here in Ontario, governments have actually done some useful things with a view towards staying out of the way. Delaying the income tax deadline and payments was a good move. Ontario postponing license plate and drivers license renewals - lets the ServiceOntario places either shut down or have fewer people in them (hopefully no lineups - social distancing), gives people a break before they have to pay that bill. Several transit services have cancelled transit fare payments - lets people get on and off the bus at the back away from the driver, for one thing, and takes financial pressure off some people who can't afford it. Some municipalities have postponed tax payments and water bill payments. It's all little things, but it helps.
bigpoppa
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Princess Auto has free shipping now so you'll stay the hell out of the stores.
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