Scarborough: Land of the Crap Drivers, partial proof

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As a resident Scarborough I get the opportunity, daily, to see how terrible my neighbours actually drive. There is a high(er) proportion of Chinese and Indian drivers in Scarborough that never cease to amaze me as to novel and new ways of illegally driving at worst or how to inconvenience fellow drivers at least. U-turns in front of schools after they drop off their brats, attempted murder by running over pedestrians that block their creeping right hand turns, to name a few. This makes both driving a car and riding a motorcycle hazardous.

A recent Scarbrough Mirror article, North York and Scarborough among the highest in car accident rates across Canada: study, seems to bear me out. This is why, if you live in Scarborough, you will pay more for insurance. The article references a study done by Allstate Canada and lists the most claims by the top 81 cities.

Scarborough ranks 77th out of 81 worst Canadian cities. North York ranks 79th, worse than Scarborough. Interestingly, Ajax ranked 80th, worse than either. To be fair and not too anti-Chinese, Markham, just north of Scarborough, ranked 67th, much better than Scarborough. I'm not sure how to explain this. For the Indian crowd, Brampton ranked 75th, Mississauga 64th, Oakville 50th.

If you want to reduce the cost of your insurance, you can use this list and move to a city with fewer claims, somewhere far from Scarborough.
 
Quiet...do you want our rates to equal that of Brampton? :P
 
TorontoBoy said:
As a resident Scarborough I get the opportunity, daily, to see how terrible my neighbours actually drive. There is a high(er) proportion of Chinese and Indian drivers in Scarborough that never cease to amaze me as to novel and new ways of illegally driving at worst or how to inconvenience fellow drivers at least. U-turns in front of schools after they drop off their brats, attempted murder by running over pedestrians that block their creeping right hand turns, to name a few. This makes both driving a car and riding a motorcycle hazardous.

A recent Scarbrough Mirror article, North York and Scarborough among the highest in car accident rates across Canada: study, seems to bear me out. This is why, if you live in Scarborough, you will pay more for insurance. The article references a study done by Allstate Canada and lists the most claims by the top 81 cities.

Scarborough ranks 77th out of 81 worst Canadian cities. North York ranks 79th, worse than Scarborough. Interestingly, Ajax ranked 80th, worse than either. To be fair and not too anti-Chinese, Markham, just north of Scarborough, ranked 67th, much better than Scarborough. I'm not sure how to explain this. For the Indian crowd, Brampton ranked 75th, Mississauga 64th, Oakville 50th.

If you want to reduce the cost of your insurance, you can use this list and move to a city with fewer claims, somewhere far from Scarborough.
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Wow....someone who calls it like it is. ..rare these days
 
Just put a driving instructor from India who barely speaks English in with a student from Hong Kong who can't speak English. That's how you get Allstate's results. Ontario, you gotta love it.
 
I live in Pickering, work in Toronto and spend a lot of time in Scarborough, Vaughan, Mississauga and Brampton. The OP is right, drivers are worse in Scarborough than many other GTA cities. I grew up in the heart of Scarborough and the demographic change is a real thing.

I can only speculate as to the reasoning for the inept drivers...is it that the rules or lack of rules of the road from their homeland is so drastically different? If so, when they get their licence in Ontario, are they simply doing what they are supposed to during the exam and reverting to old habits or do they simply have to go into the local MTO and convert their license?
 
Canadians drive bad on purpose, certain immigrants drive bad because that's all they know.
 
Very long story short, it's too easy to get a licence in this province, without any training required, much less ensuring that such training is actually of any quality beyond the absolute bare bones minimum required to pass the laughably easy testing process.
 
In Oakville and Burlington, the are still bad drivers.

Many very young high school looking kids driving like they're teaching in their mommy and daddy's nice cars.

We still have a number of old people that shouldnt be driving, fresh immigrants, etc.

In the end, there are bad drivers everywhere.

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it's great plan, why change it
sell more cars
higher insurance premiums
more cars to repair

government makes more in taxes and fees

we all know the deal
wait until a kid or 2 gets crushed and killed THEN they will say we will LOOK into it
 
Here's my theory about bad Chinese drivers:
-Chinese from Hong Kong: HK is a very busy place. If you have a driver's license from HK you are an excellent driver. Otherwise you'd be dead or scraped up your car and scared crapless. Also HK is right hand drive. In HK I'd rather take the bus, as it's a lot safer. Anyone else from HK that does not have a HK driver's license is a brand new driver.
-Chinese from Mainland China: Driving in China is a relatively new thing, maybe 10-15 years old. Driving in Mainland China is often terrifying, with weird rules, drivers not observing even the most basic rules of the road, such as do not drive in the oncoming traffic lane, no matter how slow you feel is safe. Red lights are not for stopping but for proceeding slowly, no matter who else is in the intersection. If they have a Mainland driver's license they have very bad habits. If they do not then they have absolutely no experience. There are a few good Mainland drivers, but not enough to make up for the rest.
-Chinese people lack spacial awareness: I debunk this one because there are a lot of competent Chinese drivers. Find a driver that has a HK driver's license for proof. Unfortunately there are whole lot more incompetent/blissfully ignorant ones.

How to get your Ontario driver's license, even when you don't deserve one. Options:
-find someone else that looks like you, have them take the test. This is fraud, but would the MOT know any different?
-coordinate with your Chinese driving school instructor to book driving tests in rural areas of Ontario. Usually they go out over 1.5 hrs from Toronto. No matter that your English language is insufficient, the MOT testers are really nice and don't mind. The roads are empty, there is no traffic, and the testers are easy on you. You would think this is a hoax, except that as a fluent Mandarin speaker, my neighbour told me this right after she received her driver's license from up north. She still drives like crap, but she's nice, goes slowly, not intentionally bad, and is still a danger on the road. This practice of booking your license test somewhere else should be illegal.

No wonder, with Canada's highest concentration of Mainland Chinese residents, that Scarborough has such high insurance claim rates. It does not help that Chinese drivers buy the biggest SUV they can find. Maybe because if they hit someone they'll be physically ok?

That said, what's the story with Ajax? Claims are higher in Ajax than Scarborough, but why?
 
I am chinese and I live in Scarborough, I don't think it is that much worse here than the rest of the GTA. In my opinion, Brampton is worse. My insurance dropping when moving from Brampton to Scarborough kind of reinforces that.
 
TorontoBoy said:
-coordinate with your Chinese driving school instructor to book driving tests in rural areas of Ontario. Usually they go out over 1.5 hrs from Toronto. No matter that your English language is insufficient, the MOT testers are really nice and don't mind. The roads are empty, there is no traffic, and the testers are easy on you. You would think this is a hoax, except that as a fluent Mandarin speaker, my neighbour told me this right after she received her driver's license from up north. She still drives like crap, but she's nice, goes slowly, not intentionally bad, and is still a danger on the road. This practice of booking your license test somewhere else should be illegal.
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I touched on this in another thread, either this one or another, I forget. I was amazed to see when I was last in Bancroft (!) that 80% of the vehicles on the road seemed to be Toronto driving school cars. I **** you not.

It's a big problem, agreed. The Toronto Star actually did an article on the issue 5 years ago, and of course, nothing changed.

Toronto drivers are faced with these sorts of roads for their road test. Makes sense, huh?

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TorontoBoy said:
Chinese people lack spacial awareness
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Wait, no joking, is this a real thing? I stop at Costco in Markham often and it is usually fairly busy and most people shopping there are of Asian decent. It's bloody mayhem in there - no sense of space. I often wondered if this is related.

I also find myself at the Costco in Vaughan where the customer base is more European and Eastern European. Still very busy and a different type of mayhem.
 
I spent many years living in Woodbridge, and I feel much safer driving in Scarborough. Like another poster said, bad drivers are everywhere.
 
Maggie8 said:
I spent many years living in Woodbridge, and I feel much safer driving in Scarborough. Like another poster said, bad drivers are everywhere.
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I work near Woodbridge and I l know what you're talking about. Old lady staring directly at me and then changing into my lane anyways expecting me to get out of the way.
 
matthew said:
Would-be truckers have better chance of passing at rural test centres
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Anyone, for any class of licence, has a better chance of passing at a rural test centre. You have to admit, where would be a less stressful place to take your M2 exit road test - at a downtown Toronto drivetest centre where you're stuck in rush hour traffic....or in chicken scratch nowhere where there's only 3 intersections in the whole town and 1 stop sign?
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