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Maybe, but in the MTO records it is most likely still a black 2007 CBR with a registered owner at a given address. Just have to visit those addresses one by one now, to check out the condition of the bikes at those address, same as any other hit and run.

Lol just like my bike which is registered as black but is now blue. If mine the cbr would be in the drink somewhere.

Nice find zxter notice officer after causing the crash waves on all the potential eye witnesses to cover his stupidity.Also I bet not only speeding ticket was issued but also follow to close or dangerous driving and on goes the make work and money project.
 
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Lol just like my bike which is registered as black but is now blue. If mine the cbr would be in the drink somewhere.

Nice find zxter notice officer after causing the crash waves on all the potential eye witnesses to cover his stupidity.Also I bet not only speeding ticket was issued but also follow to close or dangerous driving and on goes the make work and money project.

Nice attitude you have. Crash into someone else then run to avoid the consequences. If you can't control your vehicle maybe you shouldn't be riding.

What was so nice about the videos that zxter found? In the first video you had riders speeding in fog conditions; not exactly intelligent riding. As for the second video that is a 70 km/hr zone with limited visibility due to overpass and curve; the two drivers in the passing lane are travelling at minimum 90-100 km/hr. The stupidity that you mention are the rider and driver who crashed into the vehicles ahead of them not the police officers.
 
Nice attitude you have. Crash into someone else then run to avoid the consequences. If you can't control your vehicle maybe you shouldn't be riding.

What was so nice about the videos that zxter found? In the first video you had riders speeding in fog conditions; not exactly intelligent riding. As for the second video that is a 70 km/hr zone with limited visibility due to overpass and curve; the two drivers in the passing lane are travelling at minimum 90-100 km/hr. The stupidity that you mention are the rider and driver who crashed into the vehicles ahead of them not the police officers.
Ok darwin where did I say crash then run...as far as control of vehicle lets meet up and I''ll show you control.

Did we watch the same video the second crash was going northbound on blackcreek just before the 401 and imo the crash was totally the fault of the officer he jumps out in the middle of highway and first guy panicked braked and second rear ended also this happened during winter cold tires slightly damp road.If I had of filmed that it would of gone as evidence against the dikewad officer.
Ooo

Maybe that could have been you in the first car with a newborn in the backseat getting creamed from behind and you might look at it in a different light.
 
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it would be funny if it was a black cbr 125, because the front end of the 2007 looks like then cbr 600 series.

Can a 125 even push somebody out of the way?
 
Maybe that could have been you in the first car with a newborn in the backseat getting creamed from behind and you might look at it in a different light.

I don't aim for any baby on board signs for sure, everyone else I love to smash into.
 
Ok darwin where did I say crash then run...as far as control of vehicle lets meet up and I''ll show you control.

Did we watch the same video the second crash was going northbound on blackcreek just before the 401 and imo the crash was totally the fault of the officer he jumps out in the middle of highway and first guy panicked braked and second rear ended also this happened during winter cold tires slightly damp road.If I had of filmed that it would of gone as evidence against the dikewad officer.
Ooo

Maybe that could have been you in the first car with a newborn in the backseat getting creamed from behind and you might look at it in a different light.

You're calling me Darwin for what reason? Am I a relative of the famed scientist or am I a proponent of evolution? Are you a politician where you can say that I did not say (the exact words) which you claim? You implied in your comments that you supported the actions of the motorcycle rider that ran. Am I incorrect in the conclusion?

You have a reputation on this forum as a really good bike rider; good for you. I'm a good bike rider but a much better cager, what is your point?

As for getting creamed with my newborn in the back, why would I be speeding in such a situation? If I care about my family then I should be travelling at a rate of speed that would allow me to stop safely if a stop would be required.
 
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Nice attitude you have. Crash into someone else then run to avoid the consequences. If you can't control your vehicle maybe you shouldn't be riding.

What was so nice about the videos that zxter found? In the first video you had riders speeding in fog conditions; not exactly intelligent riding. As for the second video that is a 70 km/hr zone with limited visibility due to overpass and curve; the two drivers in the passing lane are travelling at minimum 90-100 km/hr. The stupidity that you mention are the rider and driver who crashed into the vehicles ahead of them not the police officers.

To say that it is possible for a rider/driver to avoid an unforeseen action of others in all situations is ridiculous. I had a J-walking pedestrian stop in the other lane to let me by, then run in front of me at the last minute, then freeze when I tried to swerve around her. I went down and she wasn't even bruised. I had enough witnesses, she was charged and I was found 100% not at fault. And I was doing the 60 kph speed limit when all this started.

Funny how 2 people see the same videos and see 2 different things. You see people driving too fast for the situation, and I see cops initiating actions that causes collisions. Would there have been collisions in either of those situations if the cops hadn't stepped into the road? Most likely not. Yes we all acknowledge that speed limits in Ontario do not reflect the design speed of roads or the 85th percentile of actual drivers speeds (two traffic engineering standards for setting speeds), and we know that the police and insurance companies take advantage of that. And yes its the cop's job to enforce the laws, but in doing so, they have a responsibility not to put themselves and others at risk. In both these situations, they put the goal of issuing a ticket above the safety of others. And isn't the point about enforcing speeding theoretically (at least in the police marketing campaigns) about making the roads safer?

Do I support leaving the seen of an accident, of course not. But do I think a sport bike rider would also get a fair treatment in the courts when a cop is hit, even if the cop put himself and the rider in danger? Highly doubtful without a handful of witnesses, camera evidence and media coverage of the You-tube video (I'm thinking most recently Texas pool party here).
 
I find the arguments presented by many here on GTAM to be counter intuitive. Try to follow the bouncing ball.

1. Lane splitting "should" be allowed, but can't be because of soooo many poor drivers on the roads in Ontario.
2. Ontario drivers are terrible and the MTO hands out licences like they are PEZ candies
3. Cagers drive distracted ALL the time
4. EVERY cager is an idiot out to kill bikers.

Then the next thread has:

1. Ontario speed limits are too low and should be raised as a higher speed limits, will not increase the dangers
2. Cops shouldn't be given tickets for speeding due to the low limits, (even though we acknowledge generally 15 km/h over is overlooked).
3. Cops shouldn't be giving Distracted driving tickets at stop lights etc, (Cause we all know that the texting idiot will not pick up their phone until thay are at a complete stand still and will put it down BEFORE they pull away. GMAFB.
4. if your travelling at a speed that makes it impossible to avoid a sudden obstruction, (weather it be a cop, ball, kid, animal etc0 you should just hit it and keep right on riding.

As you can see people seem to have the attitude that cagers are idiots but yet lets not have speed enforcement, because apparently the faster they go the safer they are???

Now we all acknowledge that most officers won't stop anyone at less than 15 km/h, (I never did because I felt as an officer one should take into account possible speedometer calibrations, etc). But yet many advocate not having "spped traps" so at what point does the officer enforce the spped limit 70 in a 50?, 90 in a 50?, 120 in a 50? Thereare drivers who really shouldn't be doing 60 in a 50 due to poor skills while there are others who could likely do the 90 and still be able to safety do so. So who determines if your the one that can driive at what spped and still not be a danger.

Again, regardless of when the stepped off the curb the rider, (if he was riding safely within his limits), SHOULD have been able to stop or avoid the obstacle. By the mere fact that he collided with an obstacle proves he was riding beyond HIS capabilities. Capabilities doesn't just take into account the bikes speed, but many many more factors including the ability to avoid an obstacle.

Yes it won't be an easy investigation BUT given that someone is hit and injured, (cop was released from hospital last night), and the rider fled, they will pull out ALL the stops on finding the RO. Remember as an RO if a criminal offence is committed using your vehicle you will be required to provide the name of who was operating the vehilce at that point. Given the nature of this if the RO wasn't riding he would be an idiot not to reveal who had the bike otherwise I can see a charge of obstruction coming their way at the minimum. I would expect the crown would go forth with just charging the RO.
 
I find the arguments presented by many here on GTAM to be counter intuitive. Try to follow the bouncing ball.

1. Lane splitting "should" be allowed, but can't be because of soooo many poor drivers on the roads in Ontario.
2. Ontario drivers are terrible and the MTO hands out licences like they are PEZ candies
3. Cagers drive distracted ALL the time
4. EVERY cager is an idiot out to kill bikers.

Then the next thread has:

1. Ontario speed limits are too low and should be raised as a higher speed limits, will not increase the dangers
2. Cops shouldn't be given tickets for speeding due to the low limits, (even though we acknowledge generally 15 km/h over is overlooked).
3. Cops shouldn't be giving Distracted driving tickets at stop lights etc, (Cause we all know that the texting idiot will not pick up their phone until thay are at a complete stand still and will put it down BEFORE they pull away. GMAFB.
4. if your travelling at a speed that makes it impossible to avoid a sudden obstruction, (weather it be a cop, ball, kid, animal etc0 you should just hit it and keep right on riding.

As you can see people seem to have the attitude that cagers are idiots but yet lets not have speed enforcement, because apparently the faster they go the safer they are???

Now we all acknowledge that most officers won't stop anyone at less than 15 km/h, (I never did because I felt as an officer one should take into account possible speedometer calibrations, etc). But yet many advocate not having "spped traps" so at what point does the officer enforce the spped limit 70 in a 50?, 90 in a 50?, 120 in a 50? Thereare drivers who really shouldn't be doing 60 in a 50 due to poor skills while there are others who could likely do the 90 and still be able to safety do so. So who determines if your the one that can driive at what spped and still not be a danger.

Again, regardless of when the stepped off the curb the rider, (if he was riding safely within his limits), SHOULD have been able to stop or avoid the obstacle. By the mere fact that he collided with an obstacle proves he was riding beyond HIS capabilities. Capabilities doesn't just take into account the bikes speed, but many many more factors including the ability to avoid an obstacle.

Yes it won't be an easy investigation BUT given that someone is hit and injured, (cop was released from hospital last night), and the rider fled, they will pull out ALL the stops on finding the RO. Remember as an RO if a criminal offence is committed using your vehicle you will be required to provide the name of who was operating the vehilce at that point. Given the nature of this if the RO wasn't riding he would be an idiot not to reveal who had the bike otherwise I can see a charge of obstruction coming their way at the minimum. I would expect the crown would go forth with just charging the RO.


Yeah. It's almost as if the forum is composed of different people with different... opinions that voice those opinions in threads that fit them... Or something along those lines.

By the way, legitimate question for the last part: Lets say I sold a bike to someone, and they decided not to register it and just rode it without plates for 2 years. (This is a hypothetical situation)
Let's assume something happened 2 years down they line, bike was stunted, crashed on the highway and left in the bushes. They check the VIN and I'm the RO since the bike was never re-registered at MTO.

Even if I'm not in possession of it anymore, would I be liable for whatever happened? I'd say no, but your last sentence related to just going forth with charging the RO seems to indicate so.
 
I find the arguments presented by many here on GTAM to be counter intuitive. Try to follow the bouncing ball.

1. Lane splitting "should" be allowed, but can't be because of soooo many poor drivers on the roads in Ontario.
2. Ontario drivers are terrible and the MTO hands out licences like they are PEZ candies
3. Cagers drive distracted ALL the time
4. EVERY cager is an idiot out to kill bikers.

Then the next thread has:

1. Ontario speed limits are too low and should be raised as a higher speed limits, will not increase the dangers
2. Cops shouldn't be given tickets for speeding due to the low limits, (even though we acknowledge generally 15 km/h over is overlooked).
3. Cops shouldn't be giving Distracted driving tickets at stop lights etc, (Cause we all know that the texting idiot will not pick up their phone until thay are at a complete stand still and will put it down BEFORE they pull away. GMAFB.
4. if your travelling at a speed that makes it impossible to avoid a sudden obstruction, (weather it be a cop, ball, kid, animal etc0 you should just hit it and keep right on riding.


Watch the f***ing video I posted and be educated. Speed limit increases won't have a large impact on driver behavior - increasing them to be consistent with the speed people are already going increases safety.

People who travel markedly faster than the safe speed and people who drive as slow as the signs say regardless of what they feel is safe are outliers...both are dangerous, and both should be ticketed and discouraged from the behavior.

The ONLY reason why the government doesn't listen to the studies that show this is because it would decrease REVENUE from traffic enforcement - both for municipalities and for insurance companies.

I understand that for narrow-minded people it is easy to think to yourself "oh if we increase the speed limit people will drive faster" but several credible studies have shown this is NOT THE CASE.

The most desirable behavior from everyone on the road for safety is travelling in the same direction and the same speed...not for some people to be going 100km/h because it is safe and reasonable to do so while some people are going 80km/h because of a sign.

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Also - "people" complaining is not a reason to have a hidden speed trap...having a visible police car influences driver behavior more than hidden speed traps.

You can't sit there and defend a speed trap and say that you are doing it because someone complained about speeds on a given road...it is for revenue...if you cared about safety you would have an officer sit visibly in the trouble area to get people to slow down.

And if you check - I think you will find that the morons who are against lane splitting are the same morons who think the speed limits we have are reasonable...they aren't contradicting themselves with the two issues, they are consistently closed-minded and unable to see reason.
 
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Fail on all points> if you read my post and had actual comprehension skills you would have realized the point wasn't even the video you posted I have seen it many times.

So let me clarify the purpose of the post.

I find it ironic that GTAM members complain about one thing, Like cagers not knowing how to drive, and that licences are too easy to get. Then in the very next post they say spped limits should be increased for "safety" so feel free to educate us how if a persons position is that a person can't drive properly in the first place, allowing them to drive faster makes the road ANY safer.. I will get my popcorn.

As for having a speed trap as opposed to a visible cruiser. This has already been covered here, but perhaps you missed class that day so I will review. If I was doing speed enforcement and was standing at the side of the road, (which is how it is done), you keep posting as if the officer is hiding behind a bush, behind a fence in full camo gear so he couldn't possible be seen. I generally ONLY got drivers/riders who weren't paying attention and therefore missed me standing there. If I stopped them this immediately corrected the behaviour. If I simply positioned my cruiser in full view they would slow down, (except again for those not paying attention), yes you have to scan the road BUT a good driver is also scanning what is at the roadside, so they don't get "surprised by a person or object entering the road unexpectedly). But after the driver felt they were a "safe" distance away from the cruiser they resumed the speeding.

So yes a visible cruiser, does get the driver to slow down momentarily, but does not have a lasting effect on their behaviour.

Yes there is a revenue stream from fines. But there is also a revenue stream from fines for theft, for assault, for virtually every infraction, save those that result in incarceration. So lets not fine anyone and watch your taxes increase, I bet you'd be happy with that right? Traffic enforcement is only applied to those who CHOOSE to violate the law, (and some view it as a "cost of driving"). Again it is simple to avoid providing ANY revenue, follow the rules society has deemed acceptable.

Lastly, you make it sound like the cop carries a portable sign and they decide at the roadside what the speed limit they enforce that day will be. The limits are set by others then we as a society merely ask the officer to do a job. I get it your not happy, but unless you plan to become an elected official and change it, it is what it is...lol


Watch the f***ing video I posted and be educated. Speed limit increases won't have a large impact on driver behavior - increasing them to be consistent with the speed people are already going increases safety.

People who travel markedly faster than the safe speed and people who drive as slow as the signs say regardless of what they feel is safe are outliers...both are dangerous, and both should be ticketed and discouraged from the behavior.

The ONLY reason why the government doesn't listen to the studies that show this is because it would decrease REVENUE from traffic enforcement - both for municipalities and for insurance companies.

I understand that for narrow-minded people it is easy to think to yourself "oh if we increase the speed limit people will drive faster" but several credible studies have shown this is NOT THE CASE.

You should really try stop the sterotyping, it doesn't bolster your position. Again please feel free to post links to these studies. Although they will be wide reaching in that not everyones speed would be measured so yes in fact "some" will speed even more

The most desirable behavior from everyone on the road for safety is travelling in the same direction and the same speed...not for some people to be going 100km/h because it is safe and reasonable to do so while some people are going 80km/h because of a sign.

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Also - "people" complaining is not a reason to have a hidden speed trap...having a visible police car influences driver behavior more than hidden speed traps.

You can't sit there and defend a speed trap and say that you are doing it because someone complained about speeds on a given road...it is for revenue...if you cared about safety you would have an officer sit visibly in the trouble area to get people to slow down.

Not true, people want to "see" something being done. Having a cruiser there doesn't give them that but someone getting a ticket does.

And if you check - I think you will find that the morons who are against lane splitting are the same morons who think the speed limits we have are reasonable...they aren't contradicting themselves with the two issues, they are consistently closed-minded and unable to see reason.
 
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So yes a visible cruiser, does get the driver to slow down momentarily, but does not have a lasting effect on their behaviour.

If the goal is to get people to slow down in a school zone then place the cruiser(s) in plain view in the school zone.

Traffic enforcement is only applied to those who CHOOSE to violate the law ...

First, in many areas "the law" -- speed limits -- is arbitrarily set by municipalities or the province to generate revenue from speeding tickets (e.g. Four-lane industrial park roads with limits set at 50kph, for example, are revenue generators plain and simple.) The design speed for the 401 is at least 130kph but its limit is just 100kph. Why? Drive the 401 some time: Virtually every single person driving that highway is breaking "the law" and I'm just talking about the average schmo cruising at 115 to 120 on his way home each night. Why? How is it possible everyone is a law breaker? Is it possible that many times the law itself is simply faulty?

Second, traffic enforcement with regard to speeds is applied selectively, sporadically and inconsistently. Why should that same guy live in fear that on some random day in some random location a cop, hidden atop an overpass or lurking on the far side of a bridge abutment (as was the favored practice in the days of photo radar) is going to aim his radar gun at his car, nailing him with a speeding ticket? It's purely random that the guy operating the radar gun happened to focus on his car out of a gaggle of 20 or 30 all traveling safely in the same direction, at the same speed, on a controlled-access highway.

Police cruisers very often drive 5, 10 or even 15kph over the limit when they're not in pursuit or rushing to a scene. I'll guarantee you that the drivers of these cruisers do exactly the same thing in their civilian vehicles at the end of their shift. Even cops acknowledge through their actions that speed limits -- "the law" -- are too low.

Again it is simple to avoid providing ANY revenue, follow the rules society has deemed acceptable.

No, it's not that simple. If you follow the letter of the law on many public highways in the province you're likely a danger to yourself and others. You're a pylon, an obstruction, you cause back-ups, frustration in other drivers etc. This is far more dangerous than simply toeing into the throttle and moving up to the speed of the flow of traffic or moving within the design speed of the highway and driving conditions. But then you need to worry that if you end up at the front of this pack you're the guy that's going to get arbitrarily picked off for speeding.

Then again, perhaps one might find oneself in the midst of such a pack and have an OPP cruiser come up the inside lane at a nice 125kph -- not rushing to a crime or an accident, just cruising -- and the pack will end up pacing him at that speed. Some will drop back for fear of getting a ticket because he may just be doing that to catch speeders. Not people driving dangerously, just folks following the flow of traffic.

Arbitrary, inconsistent and selective enforcement is not about public safety. There are more effective ways of making the public safe than obsessing about vehicle speed.

Interestingly, you say what the public has "deemed acceptable"; what the public has deemed acceptable, through their collective actions, is that travel on the 401 at ~120kph is acceptable. The cops and legislators have yet to catch up.

Lastly, you make it sound like the cop carries a portable sign and they decide at the roadside what the speed limit they enforce that day will be. The limits are set by others then we as a society merely ask the officer to do a job.

But it very often is just that. What is the "official" guideline, anyway? Is it 2kph over the posted limit? 5? 10? Can I expect to receive a ticket for doing 55 in a 50?

The problem with speed enforcement as we know it right now that what our governments are doing is asking police to generate revenue and doing their part by holding speed limits at some arbitrarily low value. We voters accept this specifically because of the selective and random and arbitrary nature of the enforcement. We are more likely to drive nearer the design speed of the roads and generally accept that there's a chance we're going to get randomly picked off but it seems to us like the chances are fairly low (and/or we know where common speed traps are...) and so we simply accept it.
 
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If the goal is to get people to slow down in a school zone then place the cruiser(s) in plain view in the school zone.



First, in many areas "the law" -- speed limits -- is arbitrarily set by municipalities or the province to generate revenue from speeding tickets (e.g. Four-lane industrial park roads with limits set at 50kph, for example, are revenue generators plain and simple.) The design speed for the 401 is at least 130kph but its limit is just 100kph. Why? Drive the 401 some time: Virtually every single person driving that highway is breaking "the law" and I'm just talking about the average schmo cruising at 115 to 120 on his way home each night. Why? How is it possible everyone is a law breaker? Is it possible that many times the law itself is simply faulty?

Second, traffic enforcement with regard to speeds is applied selectively, sporadically and inconsistently. Why should that same guy live in fear that on some random day in some random location a cop, hidden atop an overpass or lurking on the far side of a bridge abutment (as was the favored practice in the days of photo radar) is going to aim his radar gun at his car, nailing him with a speeding ticket? It's purely random that the guy operating the radar gun happened to focus on his car out of a gaggle of 20 or 30 all traveling safely in the same direction, at the same speed, on a controlled-access highway.

Police cruisers very often drive 5, 10 or even 15kph over the limit when they're not in pursuit or rushing to a scene. I'll guarantee you that the drivers of these cruisers do exactly the same thing in their civilian vehicles at the end of their shift. Even cops acknowledge through their actions that speed limits -- "the law" -- are too low.



No, it's not that simple. If you follow the letter of the law on many public highways in the province you're likely a danger to yourself and others. You're a pylon, an obstruction, you cause back-ups, frustration in other drivers etc. This is far more dangerous than simply toeing into the throttle and moving up to the speed of the flow of traffic or moving within the design speed of the highway and driving conditions. But then you need to worry that if you end up at the front of this pack you're the guy that's going to get arbitrarily picked off for speeding.

Then again, perhaps one might find oneself in the midst of such a pack and have an OPP cruiser come up the inside lane at a nice 125kph -- not rushing to a crime or an accident, just cruising -- and the pack will end up pacing him at that speed. Some will drop back for fear of getting a ticket because he may just be doing that to catch speeders. Not people driving dangerously, just folks following the flow of traffic.

Arbitrary, inconsistent and selective enforcement is not about public safety. There are more effective ways of making the public safe than obsessing about vehicle speed.

Interestingly, you say what the public has "deemed acceptable"; what the public has deemed acceptable, through their collective actions, is that travel on the 401 at ~120kph is acceptable. The cops and legislators have yet to catch up.



But it very often is just that. What is the "official" guideline, anyway? Is it 2kph over the posted limit? 5? 10? Can I expect to receive a ticket for doing 55 in a 50?

The problem with speed enforcement as we know it right now that what our governments are doing is asking police to generate revenue and doing their part by holding speed limits at some arbitrarily low value. We voters accept this specifically because of the selective and random and arbitrary nature of the enforcement. We are more likely to drive nearer the design speed of the roads and generally accept that there's a chance we're going to get randomly picked off but it seems to us like the chances are fairly low (and/or we know where common speed traps are...) and so we simply accept it.

You make an almost convincing argument for photo radar.

You seem to have completely forgotten all about the points though.
 
It's threads like this gem that keep me coming back here. I like how the entitled freak out when people oppose their ideas and that makes them close minded morons. How about don't drive like a douche and you wouldn't have cop problems. The concept is far out man :rolleyes:
 
I'd be okay with that if speed limits were raised to more appropriate levels first.

hmmmmm......maybe if there was zero tolerance and 1 kph over the limit ALWAYS resulted in a ticket then the current speeds would suffice. A detailed traffic study would be required but Im guessing that traffic would flow more smoothly as everyone would be doing close to the same speed.
 
hmmmmm......maybe if there was zero tolerance and 1 kph over the limit ALWAYS resulted in a ticket then the current speeds would suffice. A detailed traffic study would be required but Im guessing that traffic would flow more smoothly as everyone would be doing close to the same speed.

New York State, similar roads, climate, and speed limits. The difference is enforcement tolerance and 8 km over the limit there will almost assure you a ticket. The speeds differentials that you see on their interstates are generally much smaller that you see in Ontario. People will slow down if there is a good chance of getting a ticket.
 
There is actually a reasonable explanation why cruisers drive generally faster than the posted limit. If any of you had actually done enforcement it will make sense.

So I get my cruiser, (back in the day) on a fourlane road and I travel at the speed limit. Now EVERY other car also slows to match my speed, (as most are afraid to pass a cruiser), so I have now created a bottle neck. I also can only observe those vehicles immediately in my sight line as I will be approaching vehicles in front to monitor their behaviour as they will be travelling faster than me, nor can I observe vehicles approaching from the rear becasue again as soon as they see the cruiser they slow.

Therefore, cruisers travel above the limit so they may monitor many more drivers and check for obvious infractions, (no seatbelt, distracted driving etc etc etc). It is done and always has been done this way not, because the officer feels entitled, but because it is an effective enforcement practice.
 
There is actually a reasonable explanation why cruisers drive generally faster than the posted limit. If any of you had actually done enforcement it will make sense.

So I get my cruiser, (back in the day) on a fourlane road and I travel at the speed limit. Now EVERY other car also slows to match my speed, (as most are afraid to pass a cruiser), so I have now created a bottle neck. I also can only observe those vehicles immediately in my sight line as I will be approaching vehicles in front to monitor their behaviour as they will be travelling faster than me, nor can I observe vehicles approaching from the rear becasue again as soon as they see the cruiser they slow.

Therefore, cruisers travel above the limit so they may monitor many more drivers and check for obvious infractions, (no seatbelt, distracted driving etc etc etc). It is done and always has been done this way not, because the officer feels entitled, but because it is an effective enforcement practice.

thanks for explaining this.. makes some sense.
 
I've had cruisers travel at or below the speed limit before and it was absolutely brutal.
Almost an accident waiting to happen, as people would spot the cruiser and slam on the brakes without looking.
 
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