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So let's for a second replace the officer with an elderly person who is confused, or a dog, (as per the thread here at GTAM), Or another rider, or a kid running after his ball)

In which of these cases is it ACCEPTABLE to hit the person or object, (dog) and simply not have ANY regard for the person you have hit.

If a person is driving in such a manner that they can come to a CONTROLLED stop without hitting an expected obstacle that "suddenly appears" then they are either driving well above the posted limit for that road, or they are riding/driving distracted.

So I guess, if an newbie rider comes to an intersection stops at a stop sign and then messes up and pops the clutch and the bike lunges forward, it is ok to hit him and continue along after all he/she shouldn't have been "lunging out in the lane"

I have looked and I am unable to locate anything in the MOL regs that states an officer must be wearing a HI VIZ attire when conducting traffic stops.

I am VERY suspicious of the "story" of the MOL inspector giving the officer an infracton for soooo many reasons. The least of which a charge would also be required to the supervisor and the Police service, (employer) for not enforcing the safety codes. Secondly the officer's lawyer would have had the charge tossed in a heartbeat. The inspector would have clearly been in a conflict of interest and the infraction would have been ruled as retaliatory. IF such an offence was committed he would be required to contact another investigator to investigate the offence and decide upon charges. Lastly, if a "memo" were issued it would have ordered ALL officers to immediately begin wearing Hi Vis and given the fact that this isn't happening today I would say this is one of those "campfire" stories that are not even close to the truth after they go around the campfire.

Someone asked how they identified the bike, One media report stated that the bike will be "missing" it mirror. So now that police have a part pretty easy to identify along with officer observation the make model and year of the bike.

Either way, this rider will be in for a whole world of hurt, given that they choose not to stop. Given that the officer was in front of the bike he would have had a good view of the rider for id later. and because an officer was hit they won't let this one go.
 
hedo2002 said:
I have looked and I am unable to locate anything in the MOL regs that states an officer must be wearing a HI VIZ attire when conducting traffic stops.
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But they should wear one!! It is their life on the line, for one damn ticket!!! I am sure you agree.
 
I dont care much for the story, but it did mention paid duty.... so the cop was basically working a construction site. Everyone else there needs safety gear, why not the ticket-fairy too?
 
hedo2002 said:
So let's for a second replace the officer with an elderly person who is confused, or a dog, (as per the thread here at GTAM), Or another rider, or a kid running after his ball)

In which of these cases is it ACCEPTABLE to hit the person or object, (dog) and simply not have ANY regard for the person you have hit.
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Because those people are innocents - not someone who has been hired to steal from the general public and give to municipalities and insurance groups by giving speeding tickets for normal behavior (ie: everyone is going the same speed).

Even if it bothers you, the truth is that anyone who has ridden any significant time in Ontario will have at one time been robbed by the meter maids with the 9mm that are the OPP...sympathy is not forthcoming.

That said, I don't find it acceptable to run into ANYONE, police officer or not.

I do advocate continuing on when you see someone running a speed trap step into the street because it is very difficult to prove that you saw them...make those fat bastards get into their car and come after you if they want to hit you with the road tax.
 
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But they should wear one!! It is their life on the line, for one damn ticket!!! I am sure you agree.
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Yes, I agree, never said it wasn't ideal for the officer to have had on a vest, just merely that I wasn't buying the MOL charging the officer.

Just to clarify NO ONE here, (incuding me), knows weather this officer had a vest on or not.

To the other poster, those examples I provided you called "innocents and then accused the officer of being a thief. He was merely DOING his job. So if I don't like whatever it is you do does that provide me with an excuse to injure or maim you whie your doing your job?

I love all these negitive comments typical GTAM mentality until YOU NEED a cop, after a cager tries to kill you, or some fool speeding hits one of your loved ones.

The other part of the story on CP24 was that the citizens on that street had ASKED for increased enforcement as their children were in jeporady due to the ever increasing speeds, (one woman stated it was now common for vehicles to be doing 80 - 90 km/h along that section, based on tickets issued). But FTP, till it is you or a loved one involved.
 
hedo2002 said:
If a person is driving in such a manner that they can come to a CONTROLLED stop without hitting an expected obstacle that "suddenly appears" then they are either driving well above the posted limit for that road, or they are riding/driving distracted.
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One a one lane road perhaps.

There's a video somewhere of a cop walking across 2 lanes of traffic to stop some guy in the third lane, and almost getting mowed down by the car in the second lane since it did not see nor expect some moron walking at a quick pace across a busy road as if cars weren't even there.
 
confundo said:
Because those people are innocents - not someone who has been hired to steal from the general public and give to municipalities and insurance groups by giving speeding tickets for normal behavior (ie: everyone is going the same speed).

Even if it bothers you, the truth is that anyone who has ridden any significant time in Ontario will have at one time been robbed by the meter maids with the 9mm that are the OPP...sympathy is not forthcoming.

That said, I don't find it acceptable to run into ANYONE, police officer or not.

I do advocate continuing on when you see someone running a speed trap step into the street because it is very difficult to prove that you saw them...make those fat bastards get into their car and come after you if they want to hit you with the road tax.
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Sure and when they pursue you and you crash then your family sues. and the GTAM crowd screams for the cops head with the usual corus of FTP why were they chasing a speeding motorcycle to begin with. Given the options you have provided, I guess the only thing to do is simply make speeding an absolute liability offence. Have the officer record the plate then the vehicle owner is 100% liable WITH points attached and has NO option to fight the ticket in court.

I think I would prefer to stick with the curretn system and the opportunity to fight the charge and win thanks.

FYI you do have another option you haven't likely considered. If you don't want donut munching tax collectors to ticket your sport bike ********, squid ***, (see we too can profile your type)..lol. That option is to not commit an offence. Sure everyone exceeds the limit but unless one is a total idiot they know if you keep it "reasonable", (under 15 over), your not getting a ticket.
 
il3dsm said:
One a one lane road perhaps.

There's a video somewhere of a cop walking across 2 lanes of traffic to stop some guy in the third lane, and almost getting mowed down by the car in the second lane since it did not see nor expect some moron walking at a quick pace across a busy road as if cars weren't even there.
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Except that this is not the situation that happened with the cop and the motorcycle in High Park.

In any case, they have a bike model and a year. How many of them can there be in Toronto or even in the GTA? With any luck this dickwad rider will soon be skewered on a spit rotating over a glowing coal fire.
 
hedo2002 said:
FYI you do have another option you haven't likely considered. If you don't want donut munching tax collectors to ticket your sport bike ********, squid ***, (see we too can profile your type)..lol. That option is to not commit an offence. Sure everyone exceeds the limit but unless one is a total idiot they know if you keep it "reasonable", (under 15 over), your not getting a ticket.
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Going the speed limit is not safe in Ontario, especially on a motorcycle - and your "keep it reasonable" hypothesis goes out the window when it is quota time or that person's "job" is on the line because they haven't been "performing" (raising enough money).

The profiling is a self-fulfilling prophesy...LEOs are ***** because some sport bike guys are reckless....reasonable sport bike guys get treated like **** and subsequently have no respect for the job.

When we have reasonable speed limits with speed studies done and only the outliers (true reckless people) get tickets things could start to change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKdbxX1pDw

Edit: wait - chase me and I crash? I meant just keep going if they step out on to the street...if they actually waddle over to the cruiser and pursue of course when you see lights stop...I'm not saying have a high speed chase going.
 
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griff2 said:
Except that this is not the situation that happened with the cop and the motorcycle in High Park.

In any case, they have a bike model and a year. How many of them can there be in Toronto or even in the GTA? With any luck this dickwad rider will soon be skewered on a spit rotating over a glowing coal fire.
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And that's fine, in the original story the biker intentionally accelerated and hit the cop from what I understand.

Hedo was mentioning how if the driver can't come to a stop in time they were speeding/not paying attention, to which I'm trying to show that it isn't always the case. Sometimes **** happens.
 
I actually agree that you should be able to stop safely if pedestrians start unexpectedly crossing the road (because you should note that people are on the side of the road and be ready)...but someone hiding to conduct speed trapping / robbery operations isn't likely to be visible by design until perhaps its too late to react.
 
Now the speed limits aren't safe? Bwahahaha you ftp crowd crack me up.

The ***** **** it up for everyone agreed. Try doing something about that before condemning every cop on the planet because you feel entitled on a motorcycle. I don't know how many times I've said it but the words are TIME AND A PLACE and nevermind the ftp, the city idiots need to grow a brain and realize TRAFFIC FILLED CITY STREETS IS NOT THAT PLACE. How is that not understood?
 
Roomie said:
Now the speed limits aren't safe? Bwahahaha you ftp crowd crack me up.

The ***** **** it up for everyone agreed. Try doing something about that before condemning every cop on the planet because you feel entitled on a motorcycle. I don't know how many times I've said it but the words are TIME AND A PLACE and nevermind the ftp, the city idiots need to grow a brain and realize TRAFFIC FILLED CITY STREETS IS NOT THAT PLACE. How is that not understood?
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Watch the video I linked if you want to understand why I said that.

Because the speed limits are too low - everyone in cars is regularly exceeding them with the "permission" of the police...basically "we may not pull you over if you go 15 over"...so if you go the speed limit in Ontario you are going slower than the flow of traffic which is extremely dangerous on a motorcycle or even in a car.

For the record I am not an "FTP" person, hedo2002 is correct, the street-level person isn't making a decision to **** us over, their boss that says "write <x> number of tickets or you're fired" and the policy makers are to blame.
 
Everyone exceeds them because everyone thinks their the most important royalty on public roads. The law says this speed but then cops are just revenue collectors because people are too fuckin stupid to read the sign and obey they law? That's the cops fault how exactly? I figured you're not one of the ftp crowd from your posts. I'm just discussing an opinion on cops and the city.

I'll give you a good example. Hurontario or hwy 10 up here. All the city meatwads come up it to get to Orangeville, Caledon etc. It's been a two lane each direction posted 80 kmh road since likely forever (it was 32 years ago when I moved here) so according to the 15 over not safe doing the limit that would put me at 95 correct? I can't tell you how many times I've come up it lately doing 100 or 105 and have crowds of cars blowing past me. So I'm well past the 15 'safety zone'. Caledon opp are total ***** (true 99% of them are) so now what do I do. Continue on at a ticketable speed or do the 15 over which is now apparently dangerous as it's slower than the traffic flow. These entitled idiots have made a mess of that road as it's pretty much the only way to the city and the cops love sitting there collecting revenue because of it.

Ftp or f**k these stupid idiots who think their entitled ass is above the law? I don't condone all cops but I also don't paint them all with the same brush. When people are stupid repeatedly you can't automatically blame the cop.
 
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Anyone that hits someone while driving-riding and takes off is an idiot.. plain and simple. Whether they were at fault or not....Whether it was a COP or kid or whatever. This rider has no respect or concern for the safety of others... This is the type of person that wouldn't stop for anyone and the faster they catch this azzwipe the better. I hope this guy loses his license for life at a minimum....
 
Definitely agree with that. Loss of license for ever and just to teach his stupid ass I say a good 5 years in a nice institution where Bubba can teach him a few life lessons.
 
Roomie said:
Everyone exceeds them because everyone thinks their the most important royalty on public roads. The law says this speed but then cops are just revenue collectors because people are too ****in stupid to read the sign and obey they law? That's the cops fault how exactly? I figured you're not one of the ftp crowd from your posts. I'm just discussing an opinion on cops and the city.

I'll give you a good example. Hurontario or hwy 10 up here. All the city meatwads come up it to get to Orangeville, Caledon etc. It's been a two lane each direction posted 80 kmh road since likely forever (it was 32 years ago when I moved here) so according to the 15 over not safe doing the limit that would put me at 95 correct? I can't tell you how many times I've come up it lately doing 100 or 105 and have crowds of cars blowing past me. So I'm well past the 15 'safety zone'. Caledon opp are total ***** (true 99% of them are) so now what do I do. Continue on at a ticketable speed or do the 15 over which is now apparently dangerous as it's slower than the traffic flow. These entitled idiots have made a mess of that road as it's pretty much the only way to the city and the cops love sitting there collecting revenue because of it.

Ftp or ****** these stupid idiots who think their entitled *** is above the law? I don't condone all cops but I also don't paint them all with the same brush. When people are stupid repeatedly you can't automatically blame the cop.
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You just painted all but 1% of them with the same brush. Not much of a distinction.
 
This area has expanded from a small town where everyone knew everyone to literally you don't know anyone and none of them are from here. Hwy 10 has gotten worse steadily year by year. Every day I am on it and it's anywhere near regular traffic time that happens. Cops have noticed it too and that's why they're constantly doing radar there. It's not one or two people. It's hours worth of entitled rush hour so yes that's painting them all with the same brush. Feel free to go observe anywhere there and prove me wrong. They even pushed the start of the 80 zone back on the 410 this year because there's so many idiots that just don't get it.

The point was people need to learn to respect what the law states and ride/drive accordingly. Maybe this tool didn't see the cop until too late. That happens. There's no way he doesn't know he hit him and that makes him a piece of garbage for taking off.
 
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Based on daily occurrences. The numbers I observe grow daily and i would think there are cops with stats that would prove me right. It's not like I'm saying 1 guy terrorizes the highway. People here say ftp based on getting a ticket once or a bad dealing with a cop from eons ago. Usually from something they were doing wrong and blame the police for and now automatically every cop is bad.
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