Things not to do when buying/selling a bike

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Spring is just around the corner and soon everyone will be looking to buy and/or sell. I've been browsing online for my new ride for a few months now, and I've had my current bike for sale for a few weeks. I've composed a rant on some of the annoying things that I've seen repeatedly during this time, in the hopes that someone might read this and refrain from repeating them. Everyone feel free to add your own.

Buyers:

  1. Inquiring with messages the simply say, “Do you still have it?” Are you just asking because you’re curious, or are you going to do something with that information? You might as well skip this and jump right to step #2 which is either:
    A) quietly doing nothing
    B) asking something more substantial such as, "When are you around? I'd like to come see it."
  2. Sending offers for 65% of the asking price on first contact. No seller is going to take you seriously. Maybe you’ve managed to find the one in a million seller who’s desperate to drop their asking price and give the bike away, but they’re not going to do it to some random guy in an email. If you’re serious about buying it, put in some effort and go see it. Otherwise prepare to be ignored.
  3. Asking if you can come see it and cancelling or not showing up last minute. Don’t set everything up if you’re not sure you actually care to see it. I understand sometimes things happen, and I myself have had to cancel day of due to unavoidable circumstances. At the very least let the guy know so he’s not waiting around for you.

Sellers:

  1. Claiming your bike is “rare”, “unique”, or “one of a kind”. Guess what, every bike in the world is “rare”, “unique”, and “one of a kind”. I can buy a smiley face sticker and slap it on the tank. There is now no other bike in the world exactly like it. Guess what else? No one gives a ****. Rare does not equal valuable. I would argue that it’s not worth writing this even for bikes that actually are rare. The people that care already know, and the people that don’t already know don’t care.
  2. Posting a mostly empty ad and telling people to “contact me for more info” or “photos”. It takes more time to send info and photos to a single person than it does to put them into the ad. It makes you sound like you don't believe anyone will be interested enough, so you won't bother doing any more until you're proven wrong. People will assume you're lazy and that’s your attitude towards the bike’s maintenance. It also suggests maybe you have something to hide or you’re ashamed of what people will see and you’re hesitant to give them the info.
  3. Including a single, underexposed image of part of the back tire that needs to be rotated. Same goes for photos you pulled from a Google image search. If you aren’t competent enough to use a camera or ask someone to help you, you shouldn’t be operating a vehicle. If you can’t be bothered to roll it out of your packed garage for 5 minutes then you’re lazy, and we’ve already covered that.
  4. Saying your bike is “mint” or “showroom condition”. “Bike is mint except for a big dent in the gas tank.” If you want to show off how clean it is and how well you’ve taken care of it, then SHOW it using photos.
  5. Writing things like “uber fast breaks just dun”. You sound like a drunk 14 year old girl. I don’t want to talk to you.
  6. Saying you’re “just testing the waters”. No you’re not, you’re looking to exchange it for money. You’re not making yourself look hard, you’re making yourself look like an difficult dick and letting people know that they’d rather not have to deal with you.
  7. Telling people how “it’s you’re baby”, and “you don’t want to sell it but you have to.” Apparently you don’t want to keep it enough to turn down money.
 
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Things like "do you still have it?" is starting a conversation. Like how you doing? Its meaningless but leads to conversion.
That's a fair question because some people sell their bike & keep the ad up, making any other questions "invalid"
 
I really am convinced that some of the ads are placed by people that have been "forced" to sell by their wife/gf/SO/dominatrix. No price, crappy pix or pix stolen from another ad, vague descriptions including "mint" and "custom" together in the same sentence makes me believe that they NEVER intend to sell the bike, and hopefully will never have to turn down an offer. That's how I prefer to think of those ads, at least it makes me laugh.

And almost every serious buyer I've had for things I've listed has started out with "do you still have it?" because there are so many ads still out there for stuff sold months ago. It's discouraging to say "I'll buy your xyz for the price you quoted" and they send an email back a week later - it's sold. Arrrgh.
 
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Things like "do you still have it?" is starting a conversation. Like how you doing? Its meaningless but leads to conversion.
That's a fair question because some people sell their bike & keep the ad up, making any other questions "invalid"

Buy if any other question will still get the answer of 'no its sold', then whatever else you ask is really a 2 for 1. I do ask people how they're doing, but if it ever took them more than 5 minutes to respond I might stop and just cut to the chase.

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I really am convinced that some of the ads are placed by people that have been "forced" to sell by their wife/gf/SO/dominatrix. No price, crappy pix or pix stolen from another ad, vague descriptions including "mint" and "custom" together in the same sentence makes me believe that they NEVER intend to sell the bike, and hopefully will never have to turn down an offer. That's how I prefer to think of those ads, at least it makes me laugh.

And almost every serious buyer I've had for things I've listed has started out with "do you still have it?" because there are so many ads still out there for stuff sold months ago. It's discouraging to say "I'll buy your xyz for the price you quoted" and they send an email back a week later - it's sold. Arrrgh.

It would be interesting to see the stats on appeasment ads. Maybe Kijiji can add a private check box, "are you being forced to sell this against you will?"

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Dude, just do what I did =)

No one who actually read the blog post low-balled. You do, however, get much fewer replies (the email connected to my Kijiji, however, was spammed).
 
Just as there's dipshit buyers there's dipshit sellers.
That's why I hate selling my sht

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I've had a car listed for 4000, I think 90 percent of the emails were "do you still have it", "2000 cash?" I don't know why people add that cash to their pathetic low offers makes it acceptable.
 
I've had a car listed for 4000, I think 90 percent of the emails were "do you still have it", "2000 cash?" I don't know why people add that cash to their pathetic low offers makes it acceptable.

I always find it funny when people say something like "I'll give you $xxxx.xx cash" as if it's an incentive to sell to them because they are paying you with money...

Really? How else are you going to f***ing pay for something on kijiji? A gift card to bestbuy?
 
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offering 65% of the asking price of bikes in the GTA is sometimes a fair offer...
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...tupidly-overpriced-motorcycle-for-sale-thread

the cash offer is funny, but worse is when they tell you they have bad credit and cant get a loan so they want you to finance them...

Yes, forgot about that one. I had some guy who just moved here from Florida ask if I'd be willing to work with him and setup a payment plan, in writing of course so I'm protected.

I told him to save up all his payments so he can buy a bike.
 
Feeler = Testing the Water(s) = Hate to Sell my Baby = Time to Move On = Want to see some one Use this Beautiful Bike = probably too conflicted to be able to strike a reasonable deal. But you never know, there are deals to be had on Kijiji every day.
 
I always find it funny when people say something like "I'll give you $xxxx.xx cash" as if it's an incentive to sell to them because they are paying you with money...

Really? How else are you going to f***ing pay for something on kijiji? A gift card to bestbuy?

You want a cheque, bro?

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Yes, forgot about that one. I had some guy who just moved here from Florida ask if I'd be willing to work with him and setup a payment plan, in writing of course so I'm protected.

I told him to save up all his payments so he can buy a bike.

I have done a payment plan with someone before.
Only I told them they could make payments and when it is paid in full they can pick up the bike.
It was fine as I gave them the winter to pay so the bike wasn't ridden during that time.

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I've had a car listed for 4000, I think 90 percent of the emails were "do you still have it", "2000 cash?" I don't know why people add that cash to their pathetic low offers makes it acceptable.

Should have said you only accept credit cards...
 
The testing the waters thing is fubar. Non-bike related but same type of example, my stepmother wanted to buy a condo so she and the realtor went and looked at a listed condo and the place was acceptable as was the price. So she offered ask and the guy said no that he was just testing the waters and that he wasn't actually serious about selling it. The realtor was not impressed.

It still amazes me, some doorknob actually MLS listed his property and had people come to it and everything and never actually once planned to sell it.

There are probably a few bikes like that out there but probably not too many because it is a self-defeating exercise because people always have the option of buying new (which means new tires, new brakes, etc.)
 
Last summer, me and my friend (the buyer) went to Innersoll (160km 1way from TO) to check and possibly buy a DRZ400sm.
The bike was the total opposite of the ad.. bald tires instead of new, done pads + non-transparent brake fluid + empty coolant reservoir instead of full maintenance + peekaboo cosmetic damages here n there... and the seller was still trying to convince us how the tires were practically new and so on (had sharp corners)..

I would have walked away for sure as I try to avoid even minimal contact with low-iq ppl in general if I can - no way I will make his bike mine =) but my friend was convinced after the $500 discount on a DRZ that was already the cheapest in the market before the discounts.

So, badly put ads may be in relation with the sellers' high desperation, which may be advantageous in negotiating (Middle East 101) or the seller may be f'in retarted too of course :)

I really am convinced that some of the ads are placed by people that have been "forced" to sell by their wife/gf/SO/dominatrix. No price, crappy pix or pix stolen from another ad, vague descriptions including "mint" and "custom" together in the same sentence makes me believe that they NEVER intend to sell the bike, and hopefully will never have to turn down an offer. That's how I prefer to think of those ads, at least it makes me laugh.

LOL

I still remember the emotions running through when I sold my bike last year. After the sale, I felt like the stupidest person on the planet for trading my roaring/growling motorcycle for pieces of paper in return. It felt like the biggest mistake ever for the next 72hrs, then I bought a new bike, and I was fine once again :)
 
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Raydowe, RESPECT!

This is is an excellent post. It's my experience so far in trying to sell my bike that I liked this post so much. It's my first bike so I've obviously never sold a bike before. I've sold many other things on kijiji but never a bike but man is it ever a royal pain.

Just today some kid asked me "do you still have it" to which I rolled my eyes and responded "yes". Then he tells me he lives about 5hrs away and he's working really hard in the mines to save up for a bike in the spring time...

What other response does one give other than blankly staring and blinking at your computer screen?
Again, great post brother.
Cheers
 
Well I have to agree with everything said as I have experienced it all. The worst thing, IMHO, is when you have a verbal agreement with someone, you travel miles away from home only to turn up and find the bike sold. My own experience from years ago. I had been corresponding with a guy up beyond Peterborough on an XS 650 ( I live in Hamilton). I had arranged to drive up one Saturday and the arrangement was that he would show it but not sell until I had first refusal. I get to within 1 hour of his place and phone in to let him know I am close. Everything is fine and he's expecting me. I get there and...........the bike is sold and gone. No call, no sorry, no nothing. I am out almost 6 hours of time and $50 or $60 in gas and I don't even get a sorry. What a POS!

I've bought, sold and traded more than a few bikes in the last 11 years and that had to be the worst experience. 90% of people today both buyers and sellers are total idiots and the whole experience is getting worse IMHO. I don't know what the solution is but it is definitely getting more difficult to buy or sell.
 
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