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inreb said:
Electric bikes are gay until further notice.
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If 120ftlbs of immediate torque and 240km/hr top speeds are gay..what does that make most dino juice bikes?:toothy2:

Within ten years, these bikes may define the top end of performance bikes. The biggest problem they have now is cost.
 
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Gary said:
Crazy! I've never had any interest in so much as a demo ride (very unlike me). I put 'e-bikes' in the same heap as toll roads.
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The Brammo and the Zero have a low-end pull equivalent to a good 750 sports bike. They lack the suspension and brakes to back it up.
Electric bikes, toll roads. Perfect sense.

"E-bikes" is a really a term reserved for those slow and annoying lead-acid battery scooters.
 
CafeRay said:
Me neither. I wonder if 120 years ago people had this same discussion over petroleum versus whale oil.

Next, the "electricity is made by burning cute puppies" post.
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I mostly just didn't quite get what he was trying to say. I think it was supposed to be, "Because they are as useless and wasteful as electric cars." Which still makes no sense since a 220 km range bike would probably be great and that torque sounds awesome and the power and 400 km range of the Tesla is pretty decent, too.
 
From a green standpoint (which is the whole reason for the switch) they are just as bad as gas powered. The electricity has to be produced and transferred via infrastructure, which causes waste since this infrastructure has to be built up to support the load. Now if everyone drove these cars we would have a serious energy shortage on our hands. We can barely keep up why the demand for energy to power a/c in the summer. Where is all this extra power coming from? You're just replacing the power created by a car engine to a factory, if you will, so even though you appear to be green, it's really just sweeping the problem elsewhere throughout the grid.
 
unL33T said:
I mostly just didn't quite get what he was trying to say. I think it was supposed to be, "Because they are as useless and wasteful as electric cars." Which still makes no sense since a 220 km range bike would probably be great and that torque sounds awesome and the power and 400 km range of the Tesla is pretty decent, too.
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Yes, but people love to shoot down things they don't understand or imply change.
Look at the massive press over one Tesla catching fire after running over something, stock price drops... yet BMW recalling 75,000 cars for bad brakes is page 4 material. Like gas cars don't catch fire every single day.

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Benny! said:
From a green standpoint (which is the whole reason for the switch) they are just as bad as gas powered. The electricity has to be produced and transferred via infrastructure, which causes waste since this infrastructure has to be built up to support the load. Now if everyone drove these cars we would have a serious energy shortage on our hands. We can barely keep up why the demand for energy to power a/c in the summer. Where is all this extra power coming from? You're just replacing the power created by a car engine to a factory, if you will, so even though you appear to be green, it's really just sweeping the problem elsewhere throughout the grid.
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This is what I mean.
I went to Niagara Falls two weeks ago, for some reason, they built a coal plant in the middle of the river.

People seem to think gasoline just appears out the end a hose -it takes huge amounts of energy to mine the crude, it takes huge amounts of energy to refine it, and huge amounts of energy to ship it around.

There are many ways to generate electricity. Burning is always burning.

The infrastructure issue is an American issue. If they spent a fraction of all that money they use in the military to keep oil cheap, on a proper electrical grid, they could turn around their economy.
 
CafeRay said:
This is what I mean.
I went to Niagara Falls two weeks ago, for some reason, they built a coal plant in the middle of the river.

People seem to think gasoline just appears out the end a hose -it takes huge amounts of energy to mine the crude, it takes huge amounts of energy to refine it, and huge amounts of energy to ship it around.

There are many ways to generate electricity. Burning is always burning.

The infrastructure issue is an American issue. If they spent a fraction of all that money they use in the military to keep oil cheap, on a proper electrical grid, they could turn around their economy.
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And you think the Oil Companies would allow them to do that...lol
We had perfectly functional electrical cars in the 2000's until they crushed them all.
Toronto had a good electrical rail system back in the days until GM came and killed that system.
Senators are bought and paid for. It is estimated that you need about $10 MILLION to run for a Senator seat and about $1 million for House of Rep.
 
CafeRay said:
If 120ftlbs of immediate torque and 240km/hr top speeds are gay..what does that make most dino juice bikes?:toothy2:

Within ten years, these bikes may define the top end of performance bikes. The biggest problem they have now is cost.
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And maybe the visceral thrill provided by throbbing engines and booming mufflers is gay to people who don't understand it. Electric bikes will find their place with new blood coming into the sport. The change will not be immediate. I'll let you know when the coast is clear:cool:
 
SunnY S said:
Im still trying to figure out wth zzzzztttt means
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Speakers on.
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Benny! said:
From a green standpoint (which is the whole reason for the switch) they are just as bad as gas powered. The electricity has to be produced and transferred via infrastructure, which causes waste since this infrastructure has to be built up to support the load. Now if everyone drove these cars we would have a serious energy shortage on our hands. We can barely keep up why the demand for energy to power a/c in the summer. Where is all this extra power coming from? You're just replacing the power created by a car engine to a factory, if you will, so even though you appear to be green, it's really just sweeping the problem elsewhere throughout the grid.
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Electric power can be more environmentally friendly, or less, depending on where you charge. In QC where most electricity comes from hydro, overall GHG emissions can be severely reduced compared to gas engines. In AB, which depends heavily on coal, the GHG emissions would probably be worse (haven't crunched the numbers exactly, but AB electricity is 500x more polluting that QC electricity).
Electric generating capacity isn't much of an issue as most vehicles will be charged overnight when demand is at its lowest. In some respects, it makes the grid a bit more efficient with fewer peaks and troughs.
 
Even if it's from a dirty source I would expect the plant to still have less emissions and be more efficient. Car engines are running very inefficiently most of the time except near peak torque. Part of why serial hybrids are more efficient.
 
Benny! said:
From a green standpoint (which is the whole reason for the switch) they are just as bad as gas powered. The electricity has to be produced and transferred via infrastructure, which causes waste since this infrastructure has to be built up to support the load. Now if everyone drove these cars we would have a serious energy shortage on our hands. We can barely keep up why the demand for energy to power a/c in the summer. Where is all this extra power coming from? You're just replacing the power created by a car engine to a factory, if you will, so even though you appear to be green, it's really just sweeping the problem elsewhere throughout the grid.
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The electric grid is incredibly complex. You do know that Ontario often generates an excess and actually pays to get rid of it?
 
inreb said:
And maybe the visceral thrill provided by throbbing engines and booming mufflers is gay to people who don't understand it.
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From what I read about these high performance electrics, the instantaneous torque is more of a visceral thrill than noise. You simply can't get that with a gas engine.

I think the next tech to hit bikes may likely be a kinetic energy recovery engine/capacitor that will trap braking energy to give you a low end 50hp punch to boost the low-end power curve with no net energy use.
 
fastar1 said:
Electric power can be more environmentally friendly, or less, depending on where you charge. In QC where most electricity comes from hydro, overall GHG emissions can be severely reduced compared to gas engines. In AB, which depends heavily on coal, the GHG emissions would probably be worse (haven't crunched the numbers exactly, but AB electricity is 500x more polluting that QC electricity).
Electric generating capacity isn't much of an issue as most vehicles will be charged overnight when demand is at its lowest. In some respects, it makes the grid a bit more efficient with fewer peaks and troughs.
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Alberta will never use electric anything anyway.
Shanghai already has a 100 percent carbon capture coal plant on line.

Right now, we burn a LOT natural gas to get oil from tar sands, we could just use that to make electricity.

All the Alberta-types who calculate pollution from electric assume all electric is coal (even in the US, this is only 50%), and they ignore the massive amount of electricity it takes to refine crude to gasoline, and they do not factor in how much oil is used just to move oil around.
In Canada, about half our population uses electric from zero emission sources.
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