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Not sure I would blame Dick and Bush. GM killed its own program, after they discovered three years into the lease program that electric cars really don't wear out.
Electrics would kill the aftermarket parts industry. You basically swap the batteries, replace the brake pads.
The Toronto trolley buses ran for >1 million kms and decades before the city killed them off. They killed them off because they were no longer being made.
I remember riding them as a kid, the torque was huge, even with a bus full of people.
That instantaneous torque should have a pleasing affect on anybody's psyche. It's reality based and probably not visceral, but I'm not sure as, sadly, I'm not a linguist.
Be that as it may, I'm done with aquiring any more fossil fuelled toys. Some manufacturer is going to come out, sooner or later, with a genre busting super neato must have car or bike. That I will buy. If it's electric powered so be it. That will be the time, I'm almost certain, when "e" will stop being gay.
sid_for_speed
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+1. Remember the good old days when we used horses for every thing? then the prick Ford came up with that "horseless cart"? How we hated that!
Scroll up a 100 years and now we're complaining about a smooth, 0 emission vehicle that looks and performs the part!
What'll it be a 100 years for now?
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No need to worry about that. It will be a luxury to dream.
At the rate we are destroying the environment, bikes will be a good thing to dream about in the future.
Kri$han
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Not a bad view point, but I'm still convinced that -overall- the gasoline infrastructure is much "dirtier" and inefficient than our electric infrastructure, at least here in Ontario (where we've got excess capactiy for Nuclear electricity production)
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That being said, have "they" figured out what to do with all the waste from the batteries in all these hybrid and electric cars? Will they bury it? "Recycle" it (read: more toxic fumes)? Until they can definitively say what they will do with the battery pack, I can't be completely convinced that the overall environmental impact of these vehicles is lower than the traditional dino-powered cars & bikes.
Every single vehicle on the road has a lead-acid battery. The recycling rate of those batteries is >99 percent. All of that lead is reused over and over.
Lithium is too expensive to throw away. NimH and Li batteries are all recycled.
Just think about all the oil filters, used motor oil, exhausts, water pumps, spark plugs, air filters and all the stuff that wears out from gasoline vehicles. Mountains of all that crap.
North Americans throw this stuff away, Asia buys it all and reuses it.
Wonder if the mining/smelting/processing involved in creating enough EV batteries for the entire planet would be significantly different than the industrial effort in place for ICE vehicles. I'm thinking battery/motor vs. battery/engine assuming the rest of the product is similar.
Electrics have less parts, but they rely on rarer metals, which means more mining. The magnets in electric motors use rare metals, lithium is not that easy to mine. Apparently making an electric uses less C02, but the data is weak.
Another aspect that no one calculates is the costs of wars to keep oil cheap. People whine about US electrics subsidies, but oil is massively subsidized, estimates are between 7-10 percent, but I would guess that number is much higher.
http://insideevs.com/dispelling-some-myths-about-the-environmental-impact-of-electric-vehicles/
I hate the price fixing that goes on with gas, my electricity rates don't jump on some fake crisis every holiday weekend.
Filling up the Mission R would be about $1.20 at off-peak, $2.50 at peak.
Here's Jay Leno's ride on the Mission R. He actually bought the bike.
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One point on riding on really hot days..no heat thrown off.
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One point on riding on really hot days..no heat thrown off.
