wheelie vs killer

Forum Sponsor
ZX600 said:
Be careful on what you wish for, anyone can have a moment of lack of concentration, we shouldn't but we all do, in that moment you can kill someone that decided to cross in front of you or whatever.

I do agree that someone carelessly making a left turn should get more than a kid that pops a wheely by mistake but we should be careful with what you wish for others that made a mistake.
Click to expand...

Well with our laws it should not worry someone to much as if they are sober it will most likely be a few points and a fine, .......here in Alliston last summer the Mayor's Mother was driving her scooter across the road at a stop sign and some lady in a truck failed to see her, killed the old gal at age 88, she was fined for failing to stop.
 
.....
 
Last edited:
Law should be applied without bias? Sure. So if a left turn cager gets a simple slap on the wrist for killing someone, that sounds like leniency to me. And leniency = bias.
 
..........
 
Last edited:
Rob MacLennan said:
As I said, the law must be applied without bias. The victims, and the victims' families, are hardly in a position to do that.
Click to expand...

http://www.crcvc.ca/docs/VictimImpactStatements.pdf

oh, I guess you know better...

Why write a victim impact statement?
The preparation and submission of an impact statement is voluntary. No victim is required to write an impact statement. Should you choose to do so, the purpose of an impact statement is to inform the court of the impact of the crime on your life.
Although the decision to write an impact statement is voluntary, consideration of it by a judge is mandatory. Where a victim impact statement has been prepared, IT MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE SENTENCING JUDGE.
 
Oh wow, sorry you and your family went through that. Glad everyone survived though.
mlc said:
My wife, two children, a niece and nephew were crossing the road, after visiting my wife's grandmother. The crosswalk for them was clear. Three lanes of traffic were stopped at their red lights, with there being two lanes in each direction.

My family was crossing the road, when a driver drove straight through the red light, ignoring all the stopped vehicles, and red lights. He said he "just didn't see it". All my family members were hit by his vehicle. All of them were laying in the road. The ambulances came and took them all to hospital. My youngest was still in a stroller at the time.

They all survived.

If they hadn't, charging, or not charging that inattentive driver would have been irrelevant because my life would have been ruined.

You are looking at a serious issue from a surprisingly narrow-minded view point, with an obvious lack of concern for the victims. I hope you all never go through what I did.
Click to expand...
 
mlc said:
http://www.crcvc.ca/docs/VictimImpactStatements.pdf

oh, I guess you know better...

Why write a victim impact statement?
The preparation and submission of an impact statement is voluntary. No victim is required to write an impact statement. Should you choose to do so, the purpose of an impact statement is to inform the court of the impact of the crime on your life.
Although the decision to write an impact statement is voluntary, consideration of it by a judge is mandatory. Where a victim impact statement has been prepared, IT MUST BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BY THE SENTENCING JUDGE.
Click to expand...

And victim impact statements have an effect on sentencing, after conviction. They do nothing to control what the accused is charged with.

Will you please answer the question that I asked?
 
Last edited:
You know everything legal, Rob.

Why don't you tell me what he was charged with? :rolleyes:
 
I'm not here for a debate with you. I've shared as much of my story as I'm willing. You don't agree with me, and you don't agree with this...

Introduction
In the past, the victim was an overlooked entity of the justice process. Over the years, victims’ advocates have fought diligently to improve the treatment that victims are afforded at the hands of the criminal justice system. The victims’ movement has had many successes,perhaps the most significant being the Victim Impact Statement.

Best of luck to you. I hope you never learn how wrong you are.
 
mlc said:
I'm not here for a debate with you. I've shared as much of my story as I'm willing. You don't agree with me, and you don't agree with this...

Introduction
In the past, the victim was an overlooked entity of the justice process. Over the years, victims’ advocates have fought diligently to improve the treatment that victims are afforded at the hands of the criminal justice system. The victims’ movement has had many successes,perhaps the most significant being the Victim Impact Statement.

Best of luck to you. I hope you never learn how wrong you are.
Click to expand...

Apparently you were here to debate with me, so I was asking for some specifics. If you don't wish to supply them then fine, but it weakens your position. Your choice, of course.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
No, it isn't. It's operation without due care and attention. Dangerous operation is intentionally being a wingnut. It's about intent.
Click to expand...

If it's all about intent then a drunk driver who simply got caught in a RIDE stop would get the same penalty as a drunk driver who rammed a school bus killing 20 children. They both had the same intentions of driving home from the bar without harming anyone.

If charges were laid to reflect the potential of the intent then any infraction that had the potential of bodily harm should get the same charge and punishment as is meted out when a serious collision occurs.

Punishment serves two purposes. A form of closure for the victim as best it can and a deterrent for the offender. However if punishment is too severe it becomes oxymoronic not unlike debtors prison.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
look at stunting, cop just has to say they saw you wheelie and you're done, you have to prove you didn't.
Click to expand...

Sticking a Harley badge on the gas tank and taking a picture should be sufficient.
 
nobbie48 said:
If it's all about intent then a drunk driver who simply got caught in a RIDE stop would get the same penalty as a drunk driver who rammed a school bus killing 20 children. They both had the same intentions of driving home from the bar without harming anyone.

If charges were laid to reflect the potential of the intent then any infraction that had the potential of bodily harm should get the same charge and punishment as is meted out when a serious collision occurs.

Punishment serves two purposes. A form of closure for the victim as best it can and a deterrent for the offender. However if punishment is too severe it becomes oxymoronic not unlike debtors prison.
Click to expand...

I was speaking with respect to levels of charge, as in HTA or Criminal Code. A lot of people seem to think that a HTA offence should result in serious Criminal Code charges. To use an oft used phrase, I hope that they never find out just how wrong they are.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
look at stunting, cop just has to say they saw you wheelie and you're done, you have to prove you didn't.
Click to expand...

Roadside situation aside (another topic altogether) when the stunting charge makes it to court, the Crown still has to prove the elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt. If the Crown can't do that, due to mistakes on the Crown / police side, technicalities, testimony of witnesses and the accused, etc, then there's no conviction.

An example of reverse onus; get caught committing a gun crime and you're going to jail without bail UNLESS you can prove that should be out. The onus is on you to prove that you should be out, not the Crown to prove that you should be in. Reverse onus is only used for a "special" criminal.
 
veno78 said:
Newb rider accidently gives gas and pops clutch:
-Instant 7 day impound.
-towing fees
-licence suspension
-min. $2000 fine
-basically fawked for 7 years if convicted
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?148878-Got-caught-doing-a-wheelie...


Car making an illegal left turn kills a motorcyclist:
- $155 ticket, 2 points.
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?145604-Fined-155-unsafe-left-turn...


wat.


Someone want to explain how this works?
Click to expand...

I have had two buddies killed in the last 10 years on the street from vehicles turning left in front of them. No charges laid! I got into the same kind of accident while a newbie in a cage in high school and I got the very ticket your speaking about. No rhyme or reason as far as I can tell from one scenario to the next. Bad luck and a poor justice system. Faaak the way it is right now you could sell dope to a ten year old and be in more trouble for speeding?!!! Sad really
Forum Sponsor
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom