What to know about buying a track bike

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Foolishly, I did the Racer5 level 1 course in July and haven’t stopped thinking about track riding. I mean, I loved it, but it was foolish, because I’m about to start pouring money into track riding. I’m likely going to do another track day before the season winds up and I’m looking toward next year and beyond. If I start to track my bike regularly, I’m thinking of buying an older, used, and relatively inexpensive track-dedicated bike. But I don’t really know where to begin.

FB Marketplace seems to have lots of track bikes/older sport bikes but they tend to have a ton of miles, and I don’t really know what is a minor problem on an old bike, and what is a big problem to avoid. Beyond being able to cold start what should I look/listen for?

Are there other places where you track riders get your bikes?

What’s a reasonable price, age, mileage for a beginner track bike?

Am I better off doing more track days on a rented bike to get a better feel for it and thus be able to make a better decision on what, or whether to buy at all?

Any and all advice is welcome!
 
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Am I better off doing more track days on a rented bike to get a better feel for it and thus be able to make a better decision on what, or whether to buy at all?

Other than the race schools, who else rents bikes at tracks these days?

Pro6 used to have a couple for rent, but I don't think they do that anymore.

Would love to know, since I'm in Toronto a few times a year and it would be great to do a few track days on a rental bike. Even better if they rent gear as well!
 
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Tried to join, but the sign-up page said if I didn't have any friends, they wouldn't let me in.

I said, "I know @Jayv" and they immediately deleted my application and blocked me.

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didn't wanna join your dumb group anyway
 
Lots to cover here, and others will have far more experience with this than I do, but I'll pass on what I've learned over the years...

First, pick the kind of bike you want to track. I'd strongly advise against anything with big power, unless you have a LOT of experience, simply because you'll learn a lot less babying a litrebike than you will improving lines and corner speed on something slower. Lots of folks track the newer 300/400 parallel twins and have a blast doing it, and if you want a bit more torque, an old classic is the SV650 for a super reliable and fun track bike. There are also 600s, but most make well over 100 hp, or you could go with a Triumph Street Triple 675 and strip off the lights for a very fun but different approach.

(I went with an RC51, partly because I'm a big guy and wanted more torque to haul my lard-arse out of corners, partly because I am of the age where that bike is part of a Honda race lineage that I think is the coolest ever, and partly because Honda build quality of the era is second to none. It makes about 125 hp at the wheel after some very light tuning, but has a super friendly twin power delivery and weighs as much as a tractor to keep things planted and really make me sweat.)

BUT, the (sort of) mistake I made was buying a beater street bike and converting it to a track bike. It was huge fun to do the build, but it ended up costing me far more than just buying a ready-made track bike would have. I can get some of that back if I were to part it all back out again, and I have the peace of mind that all track miles on the bike are ones I put on, but I ended up spending over $10k for a bike that would cost no more than $7k if I sold it as-is.

Items to consider on the basic end of a track conversion include track fairings (not cheap), new chain and sprockets, braided brake lines, clip-on bars, crash protection/sliders, and track tires. Probably suspension, too, but it depends on the quality from the basic bike (e.g. a 675 could get by with just a rebuild and maybe springs, while a stock SV650 could need a whole new shock and fork cartridge kit). From there, the sky is the limit, with exhausts, fuelling, engine work, slipper clutches, upgraded brakes, lighter rims, and on and on and on.

Much cheaper and quicker is to just pick up a bike someone else has already done the work on, ideally with as stock an engine as possible, track fairings that are well made and not explosive plastic from Ebay, and most of the details sorted. There's a Facebook group called Track Fanatics Canada (Log into Facebook) that has the occasional decent track bike go up, and they tend to be more likely to be a solid bike over a random Marketplace post because the track community in Canada is small and many know each other. In the end, though, it's always a gamble as most track bikes have done a lot of hard miles and issues can always come up. If you have a spot and the inclination, repairs are always possible.

The safest bet will be a bike that's already reliable with a low-stress motor, like the SV650, and with ready availability of parts and advice. One issue with the RC51 is it's rare and old enough that getting certain parts can be a challenge and require a lot of internet sleuthing. Bikes like the SV650, on the other hand, are everywhere on the track, parts are easier to find, and there's a ton of resources to help with any issues that may come up.

As for renting vs buying, I wouldn't rent more than a couple times if you have to. You should be able to pick something up for a few thousand, and if you don't use it, you can sell it on for most of what you paid. Track time is already expensive, doing it on a rented bike is even more so and will be limited to more training and far fewer dates etc. Maybe there are rental services I'm not aware of, but the risk would be stratospheric, so I'd be very surprised if there's much that isn't tied to supervised training...
 
Other than the race schools, who else rents bikes at tracks these days?

Pro6 used to have a couple for rent, but I don't think they do that anymore.

Would love to know, since I'm in Toronto a few times a year and it would be great to do a few track days on a rental bike. Even better if they rent gear as well!
Racer5 rents gear and bikes
Lots to cover here, and others will have far more experience with this than I do, but I'll pass on what I've learned over the years...

First, pick the kind of bike you want to track. I'd strongly advise against anything with big power, unless you have a LOT of experience, simply because you'll learn a lot less babying a litrebike than you will improving lines and corner speed on something slower. Lots of folks track the newer 300/400 parallel twins and have a blast doing it, and if you want a bit more torque, an old classic is the SV650 for a super reliable and fun track bike. There are also 600s, but most make well over 100 hp, or you could go with a Triumph Street Triple 675 and strip off the lights for a very fun but different approach.

(I went with an RC51, partly because I'm a big guy and wanted more torque to haul my lard-arse out of corners, partly because I am of the age where that bike is part of a Honda race lineage that I think is the coolest ever, and partly because Honda build quality of the era is second to none. It makes about 125 hp at the wheel after some very light tuning, but has a super friendly twin power delivery and weighs as much as a tractor to keep things planted and really make me sweat.)

BUT, the (sort of) mistake I made was buying a beater street bike and converting it to a track bike. It was huge fun to do the build, but it ended up costing me far more than just buying a ready-made track bike would have. I can get some of that back if I were to part it all back out again, and I have the peace of mind that all track miles on the bike are ones I put on, but I ended up spending over $10k for a bike that would cost no more than $7k if I sold it as-is.

Items to consider on the basic end of a track conversion include track fairings (not cheap), new chain and sprockets, braided brake lines, clip-on bars, crash protection/sliders, and track tires. Probably suspension, too, but it depends on the quality from the basic bike (e.g. a 675 could get by with just a rebuild and maybe springs, while a stock SV650 could need a whole new shock and fork cartridge kit). From there, the sky is the limit, with exhausts, fuelling, engine work, slipper clutches, upgraded brakes, lighter rims, and on and on and on.

Much cheaper and quicker is to just pick up a bike someone else has already done the work on, ideally with as stock an engine as possible, track fairings that are well made and not explosive plastic from Ebay, and most of the details sorted. There's a Facebook group called Track Fanatics Canada (Log into Facebook) that has the occasional decent track bike go up, and they tend to be more likely to be a solid bike over a random Marketplace post because the track community in Canada is small and many know each other. In the end, though, it's always a gamble as most track bikes have done a lot of hard miles and issues can always come up. If you have a spot and the inclination, repairs are always possible.

The safest bet will be a bike that's already reliable with a low-stress motor, like the SV650, and with ready availability of parts and advice. One issue with the RC51 is it's rare and old enough that getting certain parts can be a challenge and require a lot of internet sleuthing. Bikes like the SV650, on the other hand, are everywhere on the track, parts are easier to find, and there's a ton of resources to help with any issues that may come up.

As for renting vs buying, I wouldn't rent more than a couple times if you have to. You should be able to pick something up for a few thousand, and if you don't use it, you can sell it on for most of what you paid. Track time is already expensive, doing it on a rented bike is even more so and will be limited to more training and far fewer dates etc. Maybe there are rental services I'm not aware of, but the risk would be stratospheric, so I'd be very surprised if there's much that isn't tied to supervised training...
This is amazing. Thanks so much for giving me lots to think about and consider. I was leaning toward 300/400 cc bikes but you make a compelling case for the SV650. I think you’ve sold me on trying to avoid converting a street bike to a track bike. Really, this was fantastic. Thank you so much
 
I did the Racer5 school, and then did their endurance races on their rented bikes for a couple of years. They're not doing endurance races anymore, but they have a couple of trackdays per year and will rent bikes for those. It's a good way to dip your toes in.

There are a lot of benefits to a cheap dedicated track bike if you have the garage space and a means of transport. The ability to customize the ergonomics, for instance. The seating on the rental CBR125/250s is a bit funky with the stock low pegs, and I found a bunch more confidence when I figured out that everything felt better when I could get my upper body more horizontal. So aftermarket rearsets and raising the seat height by several inches helped a lot when I eventually got my own track bike.

Buying a pre-built track bike is much cheaper than trying to build your own from a street bike. But if you find a smoking deal on a street bike and want to convert it yourself, budget for engine case protectors (couple hundred dollars), race fairings (1-1.5k), steel brake lines (ditch the ABS if it has it), and ergonomic stuff like rearsets and clip-ons, spare clip-on bars and footpegs. Stock suspension might be okay for a couple of seasons, but skip the engine/performance/power stuff for now.

I really like small bikes like the Ninja 300/400, R3, etc. They're much less physically demanding to ride so fitness won't be a limiting factor until you get really fast. They're cheaper to run (a tank of gas will last you all day, a front tire will last all season, a rear tire will last 5 or 6 days or more depending on your pace, even on the sportiest DOT hypersport tires you can find). A Ninja 300 took me all the way to red/expert group on a tight track like Mosport DDT.

Philosophically, I went with a bike that was cheap enough that it wouldn't hurt if I towed it straight to the wrecker in a dozen pieces at the end of the day. From an economic standpoint, I find that having a bike that is essentially disposable takes away a lot of the mental barriers about lean angle and low-siding. I've even learned my lesson about painting the fairings too nicely. It's better if it's at least a little bit cosmetically rough. I personally wouldn't worry about mileage at all.

Facebook is probably your best bet for finding track bikes, but I don't have Facebook so I've always just skimmed Kijiji. Set up a bunch of queries like "track bike" and "race bike" in addition to queries for whatever specific models you're looking for and check every couple of days. A bunch of them should be showing up soon as the season ends.

FYI, I picked up one of the newer Ninja 500s and converted it to a track bike over last winter, so my previous Ninja 300 is taking up space in the garage and I'd like to get rid of it. Dealing with the general public is one of my least favorite things ever, so I may just list it here instead of trying to survive Kijiji/etc. DM me if you're interested.
 
From their website: https://racer5.ca/collections/rentals

And then the link goes to a dead page.

Are they still doing this? What kind of bikes? The page only works for gear rental, nothing for motorcycles?

I'd totally sign up for this if the bikes were 600cc or more.
The bulk of their stable is CBR125s and CBR250s. A couple of guys had rental CBR250s (even kitted out with tire warmers) at their Mosport DDT VIP day in Aug. They had one 600cc a handful of years ago when I was doing their endurance races. Not sure if they still have that available or not. @Amazon might know
 
The bulk of their stable is CBR125s and CBR250s

Well, that's not gonna work.

I needs me a bigger bike so I can catch up to all the 125cc and 250cc bikes at the end of the straightaway, after I get passed by them on the outside in the corners.

Also, at 5'6" and 150 lbs, I need a larger displacement motor which can handle someone of my height and weight.
 
From their website: https://racer5.ca/collections/rentals



And then the link goes to a dead page.

Are they still doing this? What kind of bikes? The page only works for gear rental, nothing for motorcycles?

I'd totally sign up for this if the bikes were 600cc or more.

@Amazon?
lol, I noticed that too when I went to check. Sorry about that. I emailed them about the rentals and they said it was $300/day for the 250cc Hondas. I have no idea if they have 600s -I didn’t ask as it’s beyond what I’m ready for. They’re quick to answer emails fwiw.
 
lol, I noticed that too when I went to check. Sorry about that. I emailed them about the rentals and they said it was $300/day for the 250cc Hondas. I have no idea if they have 600s -I didn’t ask as it’s beyond what I’m ready for. They’re quick to answer emails fwiw.

Awesome, thanks for the info!
 
The 07 GSXR600 in my user pic is the track bike that I built for me. Like others stated it's often much cheaper to buy one already converted but if you find some deals and are OK with a bit of work it can be worth it to build one yourself. I bought a crashed bike that needed subframe and that was an easy cheap find. Found used bodywork that I painted myself, used exhaust, an awesome deal on full Ohlins suspension front and rear and then brought it to Accelerated to have John set it up for me. Added a bunch more things to personalize it but when I finally sold it after 7ish years I sold it for more than I had into it so sometimes it works out.
If you can find a clean bike that's converted already, done well, and it suits your weight/abilities then that's perfect. Be prepared though that buying a converted bike may still require you to spend a fair bit to personalize it to suit your needs.
 
Tasty!

My wallet is cursing your name right now... :oops:

You're really angling for that Bayliss vs Edwards showdown, eh? 😁
Spending other people's money is way more fun than spending my own!

That said, the showdown would have to wait a bit, had to swear off any speed-related contest for 12 months to qualify for a lower life insurance rate, so no track riding for me for the rest of this year and into a chunk of the next. It's a long story, but gets me a much better rate for the next 20 years, so I can take a little break...
 
That said, the showdown would have to wait a bit, had to swear off any speed-related contest for 12 months to qualify for a lower life insurance rate, so no track riding for me for the rest of this year and into a chunk of the next. It's a long story, but gets me a much better rate for the next 20 years, so I can take a little break...

For sure, looks like I am back every summer, so anytime you're ready! :D
 
Foolishly, I did the Racer5 level 1 course in July and haven’t stopped thinking about track riding. I mean, I loved it, but it was foolish, because I’m about to start pouring money into track riding. I’m likely going to do another track day before the season winds up and I’m looking toward next year and beyond. If I start to track my bike regularly, I’m thinking of buying an older, used, and relatively inexpensive track-dedicated bike. But I don’t really know where to begin.

FB Marketplace seems to have lots of track bikes/older sport bikes but they tend to have a ton of miles, and I don’t really know what is a minor problem on an old bike, and what is a big problem to avoid. Beyond being able to cold start what should I look/listen for?

Are there other places where you track riders get your bikes?

What’s a reasonable price, age, mileage for a beginner track bike?

Am I better off doing more track days on a rented bike to get a better feel for it and thus be able to make a better decision on what, or whether to buy at all?

Any and all advice is welcome!
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This is one these questions where you get a thousand different answers.

OP, what are your goals, just looking to improve your skill or looking to be competitive? Converting your own bike can be rewarding but way more expensive.

You might find that there are track bikes for sale that do not have ownership, my first few bikes never had one but i always knew the history of the bike. But it was always something that bugged me, so the last purchase i made sure i could have a bike that was registered in my name.

One thing is true the off season in Canada is extremely long, so sign up for that last track day.
 
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