Were you there (BMW open house)?

Chris-CJ

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BMW had their open house at dealers on Sept 6th.
There was a decent turn out at Budds BMW Oakville.
Couple of vintage boxers among the current BMW offerings as well as riders turning up on Triumphs, RE, Indian, even saw a Kawi 750 triple (mostly all original!) there.
No test rides, though 🫄
 
I went to Peak's in Barrie on Saturday. Was well run. Turnout seemed good. 50% off most gear and apparel. Test ride groups.
 
I saw an email from Motorcycle Mojo inviting me to it, but... Meh...

*dusts off soap box, puts on new balance old man shoes* Ahem.

I once tried to price out what a new F750GS (or whatever it is now would cost me)... the base price wasn't awful... high enough I probably would never pay it over buying a 0-3 year old model from someone else who did, but low enough that if I had a really good year financially, maybe I would just treat myself........ I haven't bought a new bike 16 years.

Anyway, then I realized those base prices for base models, and if you want all of the real goodies and comforts I've come to expect from previous generations of GS', those are now optional extras that you need to pay extra for, and all of those extras added up FAST.

To make matters worse, I've seen that motor with under 10k with a leaky valve cover gasket, so I don't even feel like I'm buying quality or reliability.

So anyway I'll probably just buy an FJ-09 or Tracer 9 or whatever they're calling the CP3 touring thingy now instead. Or maybe even tuck my tail and buy a Honda Transalp 750 instead... Not interested in playing the BMW bait-and-switch pricing game, or the BMW will-it-fail-or-won't-it game.
 
I saw an email from Motorcycle Mojo inviting me to it, but... Meh...

*dusts off soap box, puts on new balance old man shoes* Ahem.

I once tried to price out what a new F750GS (or whatever it is now would cost me)... the base price wasn't awful... high enough I probably would never pay it over buying a 0-3 year old model from someone else who did, but low enough that if I had a really good year financially, maybe I would just treat myself........ I haven't bought a new bike 16 years.

Anyway, then I realized those base prices for base models, and if you want all of the real goodies and comforts I've come to expect from previous generations of GS', those are now optional extras that you need to pay extra for, and all of those extras added up FAST.

To make matters worse, I've seen that motor with under 10k with a leaky valve cover gasket, so I don't even feel like I'm buying quality or reliability.

So anyway I'll probably just buy an FJ-09 or Tracer 9 or whatever they're calling the CP3 touring thingy now instead. Or maybe even tuck my tail and buy a Honda Transalp 750 instead... Not interested in playing the BMW bait-and-switch pricing game, or the BMW will-it-fail-or-won't-it game.
If you happen to fancy a BMW motorcycle with only it's standard equipment, as in base model you will never find one at any dealership in Canada. Sure you could plan ahead by months and take them up on the notion of ordering one with a vague and always subject to change (wait, wait some more) delivery schedule but that's not how my motorcycle consuming mind works. Plus, regardless of the "cache" attached to the BMW brand there are plentiful competing model options that will perform as well or better and are sometimes cheaper. Sorry BMW, you're just not that special.

I think the whole "Priced from" advertising schtick is dishonest if you cannot find a single ready-to-purchase example at that price anywhere in the entire national market.
 
IIRC BMW can now stand for "Beijing Motor Works"...

Past 2018 or so their F850 engines are built in China.
 
Bikes Made Weird = Boxer Motor
They are proven, well-engineered bikes and they ride well.
BMW could also be "Bikes Made Well"
Riddle: what label will denote a Ural which also has a boxer motor?
(nudge, nudge, Wingboy!)
 
Bikes Made Weird = Boxer Motor
They are proven, well-engineered bikes and they ride well.
BMW could also be "Bikes Made Well"
Riddle: what label will denote a Ural which also has a boxer motor?
(nudge, nudge, Wingboy!)
Back around 1980 I had the pleasure of riding in a loosely organized tour of the U.S. Southwest for a couple weeks. A company called Western Adventures, run by a guy, Volker Beer who left his position with BMW in Jersey for his start up business. Started and finished in Vegas, we covered about 2500 miles all over Nevada, Arizona and Utah, it was amazing. He purchased 12 bikes and a spare bike carried in a bus which departed early most days with all our luggage which would be in our respective hotel/motel rooms later that day. We travelled light at a quick pace, most of the riders were from Germany/U.K. with one American couple. I was mainly aboard an R65 and rode the R80 and R100 a number of times, they were great bikes though felt a bit short of power compared to my hot rodded GS1000 back home. Those German riders had BMW`s back home and really hauled ass on spectacular roads. They could drink a lot of beer too. To date myself, I found the tour ad in Cycle magazine and set it all up on the phone, landline of course. If the closest BMW dealer wasn`t 100 klicks away a boxer BMW would be on my short list.
 
Is my Wing a boxer? Or is that reserved for twins only?
 
If you happen to fancy a BMW motorcycle with only it's standard equipment, as in base model you will never find one at any dealership in Canada. Sure you could plan ahead by months and take them up on the notion of ordering one with a vague and always subject to change (wait, wait some more) delivery schedule but that's not how my motorcycle consuming mind works. Plus, regardless of the "cache" attached to the BMW brand there are plentiful competing model options that will perform as well or better and are sometimes cheaper. Sorry BMW, you're just not that special.

I think the whole "Priced from" advertising schtick is dishonest if you cannot find a single ready-to-purchase example at that price anywhere in the entire national market.

Agree and disagree.

The wildly variable pricing gives a lot of potential buyers sticker shock when they actually price out a bike with all the Oh-I-Definitely-Need-That options.

It also throws the used bike market out of whack because making a like-for-like comparison on two bikes of the same model and same year, but specced differently becomes a lot more difficult. Also, trying to explain why your used bike is priced higher than MSRP to someone not familiar with how BMW Motorrad options can easily add up to 50% of the base bike cost becomes quite the exasperating experience.

However, part of this telephone-book-thick option menu stems from trying to make their bikes appeal to as broad an audience as possible.

The R-GS bikes are their biggest sellers. Most people just tour pavement on them, so they can option their bikes with that Wheel-Trans-Drop-The-Suspension-So-The-Infirmed-Can-Get-On, plus all the radar-controlled missile launcher gimmickery to make their highway jaunt more entertaining. But the options menu also provides things like taller suspension, shortie windscreens, rally seat, plus the ability not to include options like centre-stands, turn signals on handguards, all things that are liabilities when dirt-riding.

I was going to custom order my R1250GS when I first bought it. They had one on the floor which was close, but had a couple of options that I didn't want. Dealer said the ordering process would take close to 6-8 weeks and he really wanted to move the unit on the floor. So he heavily discounted the options I didn't want and I got to ride the bike away the next day instead of waiting.

However, my dealer was pretty upfront about the ordering process. The sales guy is always open to turning his computer screen around towards me and showing their available allocation, build and shipping status. Barring things like shipping or supply-chain delays, stop-sale orders - all issues out of the dealer control - their predictions on when custom orders will be delivered are usually spot-on.

Custom orders are usually only done with a hefty non-refundable deposit though. The way I like my bikes (no electronics, no centrestand, tall suspension, rear rack delete) pretty much makes the bike unsaleable to 95% of the general public. If I walk away from a custom order, there is virtually no way the dealer can sell that motorcycle without dropping trou.
 
So I`m looking at the 1300RT on BMW`s site...from $28056. Go to GP Bikes, they`ve got a bunch in stock or on order...the top one is $40295 plus tax and license.:eek:

GP Bikes hides the freight, admin, PDI, tire tax, etc. in that price.

All those fees must be close to $2000 these days.

Still, even after that, $10K in options on a $28K bike...? That is crazy.
 
Bikes Made Weird = Boxer Motor
They are proven, well-engineered bikes and they ride well.
BMW could also be "Bikes Made Well"
Riddle: what label will denote a Ural which also has a boxer motor?
(nudge, nudge, Wingboy!)
Yes. It's a boxer. Ural makes no claim that they didn't "borrow" the design. It helped the red army win the war.
From Google:
AI Overview
Ural motorcycles use a design based on the BMW R71 because the Soviet Union covertly purchased the BMW R71 and reverse-engineered it to create the M-72, the precursor to the Ural motorcycle. The Red Army required a rugged motorcycle for World War II, and the R71 met these needs, leading the USSR to replicate its design for military use.
 
Yes. It's a boxer. Ural makes no claim that they didn't "borrow" the design. It helped the red army win the war.
From Google:
AI Overview
Ural motorcycles use a design based on the BMW R71 because the Soviet Union covertly purchased the BMW R71 and reverse-engineered it to create the M-72, the precursor to the Ural motorcycle. The Red Army required a rugged motorcycle for World War II, and the R71 met these needs, leading the USSR to replicate its design for military use.
Harley also produced a boxer engine, the XA in 1942 for military use. They made about 1000 of the 750cc bikes but the military decided to stick with the Jeep and WLA V twin 750`s.
 
Agree and disagree.

The wildly variable pricing gives a lot of potential buyers sticker shock when they actually price out a bike with all the Oh-I-Definitely-Need-That options.

It also throws the used bike market out of whack because making a like-for-like comparison on two bikes of the same model and same year, but specced differently becomes a lot more difficult. Also, trying to explain why your used bike is priced higher than MSRP to someone not familiar with how BMW Motorrad options can easily add up to 50% of the base bike cost becomes quite the exasperating experience.

However, part of this telephone-book-thick option menu stems from trying to make their bikes appeal to as broad an audience as possible.

The R-GS bikes are their biggest sellers. Most people just tour pavement on them, so they can option their bikes with that Wheel-Trans-Drop-The-Suspension-So-The-Infirmed-Can-Get-On, plus all the radar-controlled missile launcher gimmickery to make their highway jaunt more entertaining. But the options menu also provides things like taller suspension, shortie windscreens, rally seat, plus the ability not to include options like centre-stands, turn signals on handguards, all things that are liabilities when dirt-riding.

I was going to custom order my R1250GS when I first bought it. They had one on the floor which was close, but had a couple of options that I didn't want. Dealer said the ordering process would take close to 6-8 weeks and he really wanted to move the unit on the floor. So he heavily discounted the options I didn't want and I got to ride the bike away the next day instead of waiting.

However, my dealer was pretty upfront about the ordering process. The sales guy is always open to turning his computer screen around towards me and showing their available allocation, build and shipping status. Barring things like shipping or supply-chain delays, stop-sale orders - all issues out of the dealer control - their predictions on when custom orders will be delivered are usually spot-on.

Custom orders are usually only done with a hefty non-refundable deposit though. The way I like my bikes (no electronics, no centrestand, tall suspension, rear rack delete) pretty much makes the bike unsaleable to 95% of the general public. If I walk away from a custom order, there is virtually no way the dealer can sell that motorcycle without dropping trou.
It's good to hear that their delivery scheduling is accurate as possible.

But I still come back to the priced from thing and model allocation. I inquired about a R1200RS base model a few years ago, and was told that none were coming in/no allocation to Canada. So that means they really AREN'T priced from XXX. It burned a bad taste into my mouth to be honest.

Glad your dealer story had a happy ending regarding the options. It reminded me of when I bought my 1991 F150 from East Court Ford in Scarborough.

I went in looking for a relatively basic work truck. 6 cylinder engine, am radio, automatic transmission and long box, but I wanted air conditioning. They showed me a bunch of trucks with a lot more options to which I replied, I'll buy it but I'm not paying for all this stuff listed as optional. When I told them I could go look somewhere else they offered up the one that I ended up with. It had some stuff that didn't matter to me and they deducted the charges for all of it.

I went in with a $5000 deposit cheque already made out to them. After the sales manager had finished with the salesperson and she returned to me I noted the "documentation fee" on the invoice. "You're charging me to write the bill?", I asked. "We charge that on all deals.", she replied. "Oh, well then you better get me the cheque back cause I'm not paying for the bill." They removed it in the end.

There's not much hope for that kind of transaction anymore, unless you can find a bike/car that's nearly sinking into the dealer floor/lot. They don't seem that desperate anymore.

N.B. A friend asked me recently how I remember stories like these. I told him, "It was a win for me, and they've been so few and far between over the years they really stand out."
 
It's good to hear that their delivery scheduling is accurate as possible.

But I still come back to the priced from thing and model allocation. I inquired about a R1200RS base model a few years ago, and was told that none were coming in/no allocation to Canada. So that means they really AREN'T priced from XXX. It burned a bad taste into my mouth to be honest.

Yeah, that base model is a real albatross for dealers to have to keep on the floor. They will hem and haw about letting you order one, just in case you walk away from the deal at the last minute. My dealer told me I had to sign away a $5000 non-refundable deposit if I wanted to spec one a la Lightcycle. To them, discounting that model $5000 was the only way they could move that model if I walked away from the deal.

Glad your dealer story had a happy ending regarding the options. It reminded me of when I bought my 1991 F150 from East Court Ford in Scarborough.

I went in looking for a relatively basic work truck. 6 cylinder engine, am radio, automatic transmission and long box, but I wanted air conditioning. They showed me a bunch of trucks with a lot more options to which I replied, I'll buy it but I'm not paying for all this stuff listed as optional. When I told them I could go look somewhere else they offered up the one that I ended up with. It had some stuff that didn't matter to me and they deducted the charges for all of it.

I went in with a $5000 deposit cheque already made out to them. After the sales manager had finished with the salesperson and she returned to me I noted the "documentation fee" on the invoice. "You're charging me to write the bill?", I asked. "We charge that on all deals.", she replied. "Oh, well then you better get me the cheque back cause I'm not paying for the bill." They removed it in the end.

There's not much hope for that kind of transaction anymore, unless you can find a bike/car that's nearly sinking into the dealer floor/lot. They don't seem that desperate anymore.

N.B. A friend asked me recently how I remember stories like these. I told him, "It was a win for me, and they've been so few and far between over the years they really stand out."

Difference is I live in a small town. They try harder to make the customer happier.

If you alienate a customer with bad business practices, word gets around *very* quickly here. Then you end up spending waay more time and energy trying to earn back that trust than it is to just to maintain it in the first place. Everybody knows everybody here. Both a good thing and a bad thing...

In a large city, they can screw the customer and there'll be ten more behind him who never read Google reviews or do any research whatsoever. Just look at how long the wait time is for service at GP Bikes...
 
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