It's about safety. HP increases in SS bikes in the early 2000s just lead to a LOT of deaths, accidents and banned lists.
Used BMW S1000RR
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It's about safety. HP increases in SS bikes in the early 2000s just lead to a LOT of deaths, accidents and banned lists.
Wrong. Both bikes and cars seal the electronics to the same standard.
Car brakes are just as exposed.
Again, wrong, a F150 pickup stops faster than most sport bikes. No one can stop faster and safer than an ABS bike.
Even in dry. Lots of data that proves this.
This luddite argument doesn't work, you are much, much more likely to end up hurt or dead from a wheel locking. This happens every day.
Real world has oil, coolant and black ice splattered on roads.
Throttle by wire is much more reliable than cables. If it wasn't, auto makers would be sued.
But accidents and fatalities have taken a huge drop since ABS, TC and ESC have been adopted by cars. I don't know where you get these ideas, but a little time on a computer will tell you that all these features have saved lives. Texting is distracted driving, completely different issue.
Sounds like you just hate anything new, even when it is better. ABS on cars has likely saved you from being rear-ended at some point.
Frankly, it's only a matter of time before all bikes have ABS to avoid liability.
The issue with BMW bikes is the same with their cars: poor design reliability from Bosch.
Hehe, not sure about this. I've never owned BMW bikes before.
All I know is BMW bikes are the most modern in terms of technology, so far they are the most superior and they are willing to incorporate existing technologies in car to their bikes. If their insurance for S1000RR weren't that expensive, I would have bought it just for their safety feature.
In the very near future, I expect them to incorporate cruise control, anti-skid (dynamic traction control), and HUD helmet (for speedo, rpm, time, etc)
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Enjoy getting stuck at the side of the road or in a garage waiting for your fly by wire throttle to get fixed vs. rigging up a bicycle cable to get you going. The more electronics you add the more points of failure you have, factor that into the enjoyment and time you get to ride your bike.
@caferay
you sure as hell misquoted and misrepresented what I wrote.
WTF are you talking about, 1 brake failure and you are dead. That guy got lucky as he was on the track.
You can blame it on Bosche ELECTRONIC components, too late, it's on your bike and you will be in a casket.
The standard system is reliable and you know if it's going to fail, you can see fluid leaking or feel the spongy lever.
I have never heard of anyone with standard brakes just failing as in what happened in that video.
How ever did all of these ppl survive without ABS and TC?
This bs sounds like ppl that go flying around the roads during a blizzard because they drive a 4x4 with all the electronic aids yet some 70 year old person will putt right by you in their 1985 Toyota Tercel.
If you need all that stuff on your bike, then you should not be riding.
A real rider with skills learned coupled with common sense can ride any bike in any condition that is conducive to riding.
To each their own.
go google TPS failures
@caferay
you sure as hell misquoted and misrepresented what I wrote.
WTF are you talking about, 1 brake failure and you are dead. That guy got lucky as he was on the track.
You can blame it on Bosche ELECTRONIC components, too late, it's on your bike and you will be in a casket.
The standard system is reliable and you know if it's going to fail, you can see fluid leaking or feel the spongy lever.
I have never heard of anyone with standard brakes just failing as in what happened in that video.
How ever did all of these ppl survive without ABS and TC?
This bs sounds like ppl that go flying around the roads during a blizzard because they drive a 4x4 with all the electronic aids yet some 70 year old person will putt right by you in their 1985 Toyota Tercel.
If you need all that stuff on your bike, then you should not be riding.
A real rider with skills learned coupled with common sense can ride any bike in any condition that is conducive to riding.
To each their own.
go google TPS failures
Ahhh cant wait!
Everyone does 20km/h 2 feet behind each other yet this is how it always ends up lol
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I would say this is wrong.
An F-150 would be around 140 feet.
http://on.aol.com/video/2010-light-duty-shootout--60-0-braking-501692117
My bike (01 F4i, not even the newest technology) says 111.3' 60-0mph, show me an F-150 that stops shorter than that?
http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/articles/2010JanIndex.pdf
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He is just proving my point even with his flawed example.
If you are trusting technology to keep you safe then you are putting yourself in serious danger.
* I am not against technology but just because you can does not always equal we should.
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Murf, I am not sure if you are serious about the bold items.
For bikes, you tell someone it has this and that and will do this and that.
A male 16-30 just hears let er rip and the computer will take care of things.
Bikes are faster and lighter with much more hp.
They fail to realize that tires still slide, and gravity is still in effect.
The most important device which will be overlooked is the RIDER.
Back on track, you can get 2012 for $13000
http://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/b.../38489-2012-fire-blue-sale-fort-worth-tx.html
http://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/b.../38489-2012-fire-blue-sale-fort-worth-tx.html
Sure, if you drive down to Texas and bring it back and then put a conversion kit on it.
2011, I would say $13-14k is the appropriate price range. Expect $14-15 on a 2012 with that many km's.
skapan
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No need for a "conversion kit". The speedo/odo is electronic so switchover takes 5 minutes. There are some good deals in the US but as you said they need to be transported back and all the paperwork has to be submitted. Then it's not so good but still worth it for some.
GP Bikes jsut sold the black 2011 they had for $13k
GP Bikes jsut sold the black 2011 they had for $13k
Ya cause they are only sold in Texas lol
Its an example, next week there will be on in Michigan or Buffalo.
What are you converting it too?
