To hell with modulated headlights.....these really work and low cost solution to viz

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They got some cool stuff

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This should mandatory on bikes using our public roads.
It makes it safer for all.

thx for the link
 
I want on the mcycle as well. They were REALLLLY effective in the fog.

These are rechargeable and discrete..I have a USB out on the Burgman anyway

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This is German made so should be good.

Knog's Blinder front LED light certainly lives up to its moniker. 88 lumens sound distinctly average by this season's standards but the choice of lighting patterns seems to grab the attentions of approaching traffic faster than conventional blinkies.

http://road.cc/content/review/71282-knog-blinder-front-light
 
I see effective fog lights...hmm
 
Bought a pair of these

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Figure they are so small and light I can velcro in place near the mirrors -set and forget....

4 stars because bracket could be better. I charged this once via usb and now it must stay charged via solar because I've never had to hook it up again. It had some small scratches on the solar panel out of the package but for the price no big deal. I have dropped this light with no ill effect. I use it as a flashlight also. Would buy again.

$16 for the pair.

Hard to argue with the reviews

http://www.amazon.com/Cycling-Bicyc...tBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R198S4GFDZNEVK

Looks like it will sit flat on top of each mirror
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the white will pick up the slow flash and I can reach the buttons easily.
 
I am not a fan of blinking lights because they make it harder for the driver to gauge the speed and distance of the other party that is blinking away. That is a safety issue. It's also really annoying.

It is for these reasons that blinking lights on bicycles are not allowed in Germany and other places.
 
Thanks MacDoc for this inexpensive alternative to a modulated headlight unit.
 
Thanks MacDoc for this inexpensive alternative to a modulated headlight unit.

Inexpensive, but asking for trouble. If a cop is having a bad day, good luck getting yourself out of this ticket (you will probably win in court as the law limits blue and red flashing lights, but I can't find any mention of white). The operation of a modulating headlight is clearly defined (and these don't come close to any part of it).

As white strobe lights don't appear to be restricted, you could throw up a pole and a proper strobe light (like the ones on top of busses) and increase your visibility from every direction, I've never seen anyone try it though.

Technical Standards Document No. 108, Revision 4 — Lamps, Reflective Devices, and Associated Equipment
See this link: Section S7.9 Motorcycles
Effective Date: June 9, 2007
Mandatory Compliance Date: December 9, 2007
S7.9.4 Motorcycle headlamp modulation system

S7.9.4.1 A headlamp on a motorcycle may be wired to modulate either the upper beam or the lower beam from its maximum intensity to a lesser intensity, provided that:

(a) The rate of modulation shall be 240 ± 40 cycles per minute.

(b) The headlamp shall be operated at maximum power for 50 to 70 percent of each cycle.

(c) The lowest intensity at any test point shall be not less than 17 percent of the maximum intensity measured at the same point.

(d) The modulator switch shall be wired in the power lead of the beam filament being modulated and not in the ground side of the circuit.

(e) Means shall be provided so that both the lower beam and upper beam remain operable in the event of a modulator failure.

(f) The system shall include a sensor mounted with the axis of its sensing element perpendicular to a horizontal plane. Headlamp modulation shall cease whenever the level of light emitted by a tungsten filament light operating at 3000 degrees Kelvin is either less than 270 lux (25 foot-candles) of direct light for upward pointing sensors or less than 60 lux (5.6 foot-candles) of reflected light for downward pointing sensors. The light is measured by a silicon cell type light meter that is located at the sensor and pointing in the same direction as the sensor. A Kodak Gray Card (Kodak R-27) is placed at ground level to simulate the road surface in testing downward pointing sensors.

(g) When tested in accordance with the test profile shown in Figure 9, the voltage drop across the modulator when the lamp is on at all test conditions for 12 volt systems and 6 volt systems shall not be greater than 0.45 volt. The modulator shall meet all the provisions of this TSD the standard after completion of the test profile shown in Figure 9.

(h) Means shall be provided so that both the lower and upper beam function at design voltage when the headlamp control switch is in either the lower or upper beam position when the modulator is off.
 
These white LEDs will meet all of those standards.
There is nothing different than fork leg lamps that cops who ride love.

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So GG you are telling me you would have problems gauging distance to ....
snowplows police cars, ambulances, construction signs, vehicles with emergency flashers on and a flashing stop light or stop sign???? :rolleyes: or perhaps the distance to a train, a flashing crosswalk??

The lights on the Burgman are on all the time as all modern motorcycles are in Canada.
They overwhelm these but its the short flash ( which has two speeds and the light itself can be set to steady ) catches the eye just like swerving and weaving does - the latest fad for attracting attention.

They are enroute - I ride at night and deep into winter and early spring and in fog and low light conditions like I'm out in now I want some extra viz.

The only thing I am concerned about is flare from them on the edges of the windscreen if mounted on top of the mirrors. - that will take some tryouts - alternatives are numerous tho.
 
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It's a fact that flashing lights or very bright lights (hi-beams) make it difficult to judge the distance of the object. Yes, this applies to emergency vehicles too.

I think flashing lights are annoying as hell. My view is that if you expect other drivers to see you in order to keep yourself safe, you're in for world of hurt. I ride like I'm invisible, personally.

But, regardless of that, I'd encourage anyone thinking of modulated headlights or these things to consider some of the effects such as annoyance, causing oncoming traffic to think you're further away, reducing visibility of turn signals, being mistaken for a signal of forfeiting right-of-way, target fixation by oncoming traffic, etc.
 
It's a fact that flashing lights or very bright lights (hi-beams) make it difficult to judge the distance of the object. Yes, this applies to emergency vehicles too.

I think flashing lights are annoying as hell. My view is that if you expect other drivers to see you in order to keep yourself safe, you're in for world of hurt. I ride like I'm invisible, personally.

But, regardless of that, I'd encourage anyone thinking of modulated headlights or these things to consider some of the effects such as annoyance, causing oncoming traffic to think you're further away, reducing visibility of turn signals, being mistaken for a signal of forfeiting right-of-way, target fixation by oncoming traffic, etc.

I drove behind a cruiser with modulated brake lights. In traffic, every time he touched his brakes it would flash for 2 secs? It was real annoying sitting behind him. The module should be linked to the speed of the bike, after the initial flash, it should not flash again until the bike breaks 50km/h. Of course this would be expensive to implement. This is why I think brake light modulators are more annoying than safe.
 
Yeah - I'm not much on modulated brake lights tho I must admit the guy I was behind on the BRP was pretty effective at catching my attention in daytime.

I think flashing lights are annoying as hell. My view is that if you expect other drivers to see you in order to keep yourself safe, you're in for world of hurt. I ride like I'm invisible, personally.

You keep insisting on flashing lights and where did you get the impression that would change 45 years of riding without an accident. You are defending a nonsense position.

The additional lights up front - be it flashing or not increases the profile of the bike - it's one reason cops do it on their ride - it's the reason trains use triangle patterns or both triangle and modulated as below.

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It's more visible and stands out from the background

You are conflating bright with attention getting.

Cop and emergency lighting has to cope with crazy conditions including blinding snow storms and still penetrate Of course it's going to be blinding in clear air up close...too bad - that's according to design..
My high beams are blinding as well even in daytime which is one reason I don't ride with them on.
That's not what this is about.

The idea is to attract attention with some kind of pattern or flash - neither has to be bright - it just has to catch the eye and make it standout from background lighting and shapes...

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Just buy from ebay, cost a lot less. For $15 or so you could even get a pair of 7W 12V CREE LED projector lights (which I owned and love, so bight!)
 
They look suitable for a low speed vehicle that you are going to pass and not see again.

Not so much for someone who's going to be following you or driving at speed in traffic.
 
I used to have flashing lights at the back of of my first bike. It was more of a strobing effect. Flashes every 5secs, wasn't annoying at all.

Right now I opt for a lighted frame. Instead of just seeing a floating brake light from a distance, you can tell its a bike. It looks cool too

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Just buy from ebay, cost a lot less. For $15 or so you could even get a pair of 7W 12V CREE LED projector lights (which I owned and love, so bight!)

less than $16 the pair and no wiring.....thanks but I stick with the simpler and more flexible solution.

Not sure lighted frames for mcycles are allowed, not visible in the day time and only from the side.
Would be cool at night.
Some of the gear for bicycles is cool in that respect.
Some of the LED headlights for bicycles is astonishing.

SO are the prices....

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http://reviews.mtbr.com/2013-bike-lights-shootout

3600 Lumens!!!!

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but how it compares against standard headlights seems a mystery but picked up one reference to an SUV with 3900 lumens per side with halogens.

No matter what...3600 lumens on an bicycle would appear verrrrrry bright.

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Hehe I saw a set of the Honda Empire Battleships pull up at the Forks.....bit overwhelming complete with the LED ropes.

thought I was up for radiation burns :D
 
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