6. Not sitting on the drivers seat? So if I put a folded beach towel on the drivers seat I'm a stunt driver? Standing on the pegs is not not sitting on the drivers seat.
Standing Up On Pegs
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Roadghost
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Thanks for posting that. Those are the regulations but regardless, surely the intent of regulation (6) has more to do with things like "ghost riding" automobiles, riding on the handlebars, standing on the seat while riding, and other such nonsense. There can be no doubt that riding a motorcycle off the seat, as long as you are standing on the footpegs constitutes PROPER OPERATION of a motorcycle and there is a huge amount of evidence to prove that. I would have absolutely no problem fighting it in court with plenty of expert testimony and other evidence. Indeed, the law as it is written is an ambiguity and could probably be thrown out. Riding while on the pegs should in fact be considered being in the driver's seat.
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No I personnally wouldn't have pulled someone for standing on the pegs for a short period of time to cross tracks or to stretch. I agree 100% with your comment 99.9% of the things many people do everyday on their bike or in the cage "could" result in a ticket. But they never get pulled over as they are doing nothing that attracts the officers attention.
That is why I say ride responsibly and your likely to never have an interaction with an officer. Do we really think that someone who drives for 40 years and never gets a ticket always drove 100% of the time within the law?
Most coppers, (at least the ones I know), see s172 as a terrible regulation. It was, (as are most sections of the HTA), a poorly written piece of legislation. That isn't to say they won't write someone up for it. As one friend said, if I pull someone over for doing something that could be dangerous, (like driving at double the limit), when the road is full of other users), then they start with the attitude, what may have been a costly speeding infraction now becomes a s172. Now that doesn't on it's face sound fair, but then he said, I am willing to give a break to anyone, but if you start in on me for simply doing my job, then education is likely not going to end well for you. It wasn't my fault you twisted the throttle or hit the accelerator. Society has said they want rules and regulations for everyone to follow. They then decided they required peopel to enforce those rules and regulations. I didn't write the rules and regulations, I am just the one who is assigned to enforce them. Yes I have dicretion as to how they get enforced, (hence I am given the opportunity to give those who realize what they did was wrong a break. But it also gives me the opportunity to not give a break to those who flaunt the rules or blame others for their misdeed. Take responsibility, if you want to drive/ride outside the rules and regs, then you need to realize that you will likely face the consquences.
Many officers also, take into consideration the potential insurance ramifications, and try not to screw over people needlessly. Some seem to think that all an officer does is write speedign tickets. Most "general patrol officers" actually write very tickets, the vast majority are those assigned to traffic duty. A patrol officer can "justify" not writing as many tickets, because they are responding to calls for service. A traffic officer only really has two main functions, investigate collisons and enforce traffic violations. If an officer is assigned to traffic duty and told they are to do radar when not on a call are expected to come back with more tickets at the end of shift. When i was a supervisor, if I sent out an officer to do traffic duty and he came back with 2 tickets, and the other officer on traffic came back with 30. Then the first officer needed to show me why his production output was lower. Just as everyone of our bosses do daily in our job if the guy beside you makes 100 widgets in a shift and you turn out 12, you best be able to show why your production was lower.
So in essence, if you strecth fr a few seconds or to pass over an obstacle, as opposed to standing on the pegs on the 401 doing 140 during rush hour your not likely to ever have an interaction.
That is why I say ride responsibly and your likely to never have an interaction with an officer. Do we really think that someone who drives for 40 years and never gets a ticket always drove 100% of the time within the law?
Most coppers, (at least the ones I know), see s172 as a terrible regulation. It was, (as are most sections of the HTA), a poorly written piece of legislation. That isn't to say they won't write someone up for it. As one friend said, if I pull someone over for doing something that could be dangerous, (like driving at double the limit), when the road is full of other users), then they start with the attitude, what may have been a costly speeding infraction now becomes a s172. Now that doesn't on it's face sound fair, but then he said, I am willing to give a break to anyone, but if you start in on me for simply doing my job, then education is likely not going to end well for you. It wasn't my fault you twisted the throttle or hit the accelerator. Society has said they want rules and regulations for everyone to follow. They then decided they required peopel to enforce those rules and regulations. I didn't write the rules and regulations, I am just the one who is assigned to enforce them. Yes I have dicretion as to how they get enforced, (hence I am given the opportunity to give those who realize what they did was wrong a break. But it also gives me the opportunity to not give a break to those who flaunt the rules or blame others for their misdeed. Take responsibility, if you want to drive/ride outside the rules and regs, then you need to realize that you will likely face the consquences.
Many officers also, take into consideration the potential insurance ramifications, and try not to screw over people needlessly. Some seem to think that all an officer does is write speedign tickets. Most "general patrol officers" actually write very tickets, the vast majority are those assigned to traffic duty. A patrol officer can "justify" not writing as many tickets, because they are responding to calls for service. A traffic officer only really has two main functions, investigate collisons and enforce traffic violations. If an officer is assigned to traffic duty and told they are to do radar when not on a call are expected to come back with more tickets at the end of shift. When i was a supervisor, if I sent out an officer to do traffic duty and he came back with 2 tickets, and the other officer on traffic came back with 30. Then the first officer needed to show me why his production output was lower. Just as everyone of our bosses do daily in our job if the guy beside you makes 100 widgets in a shift and you turn out 12, you best be able to show why your production was lower.
So in essence, if you strecth fr a few seconds or to pass over an obstacle, as opposed to standing on the pegs on the 401 doing 140 during rush hour your not likely to ever have an interaction.
