Nothing Is 100% safe in this world
Rough rough draft for motorcycle parking security design
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Nothing Is 100% safe in this world
If the bar slides through the part that is outside the frame triangle, then my trusty assistant and I spin the lug nuts off, lift the vehicle into the waiting van and leave the wheel behind.
People already pay this as part of their condo maintenance fees. They have a fellow in the official uniform. Works great. Pay him $3 to go to the bathroom. Terrible tummy problems. Very unfortunate.
Why bother locking your front door then? Have your trusty assistant use his portable battering ram to break it down.
I don't think anybody is under the misconception that almost any kind of security cannot be defeated given time, money and ingenuity. The point is to make your possessions less attractive to theft.
what is the use case of this device?
do you envision 20 of these things scattered around yorkdale/shopping malls and people on 2 wheels have an alternative to leaving their bike on the kick stand?
or is this more of a home/garage theft deterrent like ground anchors?
do you envision 20 of these things scattered around yorkdale/shopping malls and people on 2 wheels have an alternative to leaving their bike on the kick stand?
or is this more of a home/garage theft deterrent like ground anchors?
I would. It's the convenience factor. I don't use my rotor lock because it's inconvenient and I'm also afraid I'll forget one day and try to ride off with it still attached. But if these wheelchock-type locks were installed in parking lots I would definitely use them at least sometimes.
I'd like to see a lock fitted with a camera that requires the user to perform an elaborate interpretive dance to unlock it. You would have to have no shame whatsoever but it would draw a lot of attention to thieves attempting to "pick" it lol
I apologize for being hard on the idea. Stopping bicycle theft is something that has been thought about for a hundred years now.
Those rings Toronto put up as a place to park them? Apparently you could lift the bike, give it a good twist and the ring would pop right off the pole.
Same deal with the early kryptonite u-shaped locks. Weird key, not bolt cuttable. Openable in 1 minute or less with a plastic bic pen until they changed the design.
Those rings Toronto put up as a place to park them? Apparently you could lift the bike, give it a good twist and the ring would pop right off the pole.
Same deal with the early kryptonite u-shaped locks. Weird key, not bolt cuttable. Openable in 1 minute or less with a plastic bic pen until they changed the design.
Look at all the motorcycles parked out on the city streets in the summer. What do most of them use for security? A lot of them use nothing. Some use a disc-lock. What the original poster is suggesting is for a lot to offer you an alternative. Is it stronger than nothing or a disc-lock?
Pointing out all the insecurities is missing the point. What is being offered is a more convenient, more secure way than what most people are using right now.
I think constructive criticism would better be put towards how to make this more convenient, useable and marketable so we actually see it in parking lots and want to use it.
Pointing out all the insecurities is missing the point. What is being offered is a more convenient, more secure way than what most people are using right now.
I think constructive criticism would better be put towards how to make this more convenient, useable and marketable so we actually see it in parking lots and want to use it.
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The current bicycle locking method the TTC and Go are experimenting with is a big square steel box. You insert your money and put your bike in the box and take the key.
People know if the box is occupied or not, but they don't know what is in it unless they watched you park it or followed you at a safe distance in their vehicle once they identified that you have a 7k carbon bike and a regular commuting routine.
People know if the box is occupied or not, but they don't know what is in it unless they watched you park it or followed you at a safe distance in their vehicle once they identified that you have a 7k carbon bike and a regular commuting routine.
It's neither more convenient or secure. It can only be used in parking lots not city streets and based on the height of the drawing, only in reserved spots that can't ever be used for cars.
Ok then, there's a start. How would you change the design so that it's useable on city streets and compatible with car parking?
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what about bixi style locks?
arrange those bad boys in a row and leave room for 10-20 bikes in one shot?
Who pays? Crack Mayor would consider an apparatus as gravy and disrespectful of the taxpayer.
Then you have legal liability concerns of motorized vehicles rolling onto the sidewalk that little Johnny and Granny walk on.
Move it to the street? Can't. Needs to be a clear throughfare.
To the OP, if a parking lot offered this, I would use it.
And I would use that lot over another one that didn't have this device.
And I would use that lot over another one that didn't have this device.
Concrete columns sunk into ground and ceiling with reinforced steel rebar running throughout. Use a loose chain with giant links running though the bike wrapped around the column. Hope for the best.
OP, you could offer this with a steak and BJ rebate program and some folks in here would find a problem with that.
A question for your market is what percentage of theft is from home, condo, parked on street/lot. That data would tell you abit about where the device would be helpful. Municipalities would be a tough sell to get it onto lots, many hoops to be jumped through. Selling 1 at a time to condo dwellers means needing distribution.
You could incorporate a vinyl coating into the bar so its non marking like some bicycle locks. Finding a manufacturer is the easy part, costing the product would be interesting.
Nothing is theft proof, theft resistant is the most you can hope for, making things more secure is an enormous market. Don't look at TO as a market, its a launch point. North America is a starting market.
And for the love of God protect your design if it has any legs, people make an excellent living selling engineering and design and having it made off shore. ( see princess auto wheel chock vs Baxley as example)
A question for your market is what percentage of theft is from home, condo, parked on street/lot. That data would tell you abit about where the device would be helpful. Municipalities would be a tough sell to get it onto lots, many hoops to be jumped through. Selling 1 at a time to condo dwellers means needing distribution.
You could incorporate a vinyl coating into the bar so its non marking like some bicycle locks. Finding a manufacturer is the easy part, costing the product would be interesting.
Nothing is theft proof, theft resistant is the most you can hope for, making things more secure is an enormous market. Don't look at TO as a market, its a launch point. North America is a starting market.
And for the love of God protect your design if it has any legs, people make an excellent living selling engineering and design and having it made off shore. ( see princess auto wheel chock vs Baxley as example)
In all seriousness I think part of this equation needs to be the bike too. Brakes that need battery power to be open otherwise they clamp closed, level position detectors that transmit if they tilted, an ignition key that has a checksum with the ECU and if the signal is not recognized have the top speed of the bike be 10 KM/hr "valet mode".
There's a similar item available in the UK. The housing comes up over the front axle bolt so that someone can't just yank the front wheel off and take the rest, like bicycle thieves do. It has a locking rod that goes through the front wheel and locks flush to the wheel cowling on the opposite side, making it difficult to cut off.
