Rotella T6 vs Motul 300V Oil - My thoughts

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dricked said:
The change interval for the track bike is 4-6 days too far apart. Every other day is as the longest I would go. If the 300V is too expensive to do that often use cheaper oil.
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Why? What happens at a track day?
 
I change every other wknd. What source if i may ask has recommended and oil change every other day or lets say,5 sessions an day at 20 min x 2 days = 200min or just over 3 hrs engine use. Engine hours is a more relevant number to me.
A csbk wknd only doing sbk would equate to the same number of min approx. and that would inc friday practice.
If i do sportbike and sbk it almost means over 4 hrs. Should i do mine almost every day?

I am really curious, not joking. It seems a bit excessive to me. I have never heard of anything that low.
 
I'd want frequent oil changes as well but more based on my neurosis rather than stepping outside design parameters. I'm just guessing tho.
 
CrashChris said:
I change every other wknd. What source if i may ask has recommended and oil change every other day or lets say,5 sessions an day at 20 min x 2 days = 200min or just over 3 hrs engine use. Engine hours is a more relevant number to me.
A csbk wknd only doing sbk would equate to the same number of min approx. and that would inc friday practice.
If i do sportbike and sbk it almost means over 4 hrs. Should i do mine almost every day?

I am really curious, not joking. It seems a bit excessive to me. I have never heard of anything that low.
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Oil change every race weekend. Doing SBK and SS is double the mileage/hours/laps but I would assume it's still a once a weekend change (I only run SBK so that's what info I know). You can ask anyone who's a reputable engine builder or runs a race team and that's what they'll say. They may even say more frequent changes (depending on the oil/build/weekend) but they won't tell you longer intervals that's for sure.
 
dricked said:
Oil change every race weekend. Doing SBK and SS is double the mileage/hours/laps but I would assume it's still a once a weekend change (I only run SBK so that's what info I know). You can ask anyone who's a reputable engine builder or runs a race team and that's what they'll say. They may even say more frequent changes (depending on the oil/build/weekend) but they won't tell you longer intervals that's for sure.
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Hmm I will ask around a bit more. I have heard 10 hrs of race time before but i would like to be sure.

Thanks for your input!
 
Sonduren said:
Hey guys!

So after doing lots of research about oil I came across these 2 oils that have the biggest followings for our motorcycles. I initially posted about these 2 oils before, but now doing much more research on the subject find that indeed both oils are great, and it is a matter of your use, if your just normal riding or getting setup for the track that can determine what oil is right for you. Personally, if your a track guy, Go Motul 300V. If your a city rider, id say for most applications T6 is the good choice.

There may be no 1 right answer, but I think its safe to say both of these oils are great choice for the majority of motorcyclists!
Let me know what your thoughts are; I made this comparison with my thoughts and research on this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDjEF57q3Y
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The above video may not be 100% accurate, but that's not to say it isn't either. No BS and well thought out conclusions with the available information.
The only thing left would be tear down examinations of long term bikes using each product to obtain verification of your hypothesis.

Well done.
 
300v is not designed to sit for periods of time in the engine, like a race bike that will sit for weeks at a time. ask the big sharks, they know
 
dricked said:
The change interval for the track bike is 4-6 days too far apart. Every other day is as the longest I would go. If the 300V is too expensive to do that often use cheaper oil.
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ZX600 said:
Lol yep
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What CrashChris said, it's the hours the bike spends near the redline not the track days it goes through. I must be attending the wrong trackdays but last year every trackday I went to I never had a full day due to crashes, weather, bad organization by the staff etc.

Changing oil every other trackday is just overkill, the amount of extra money you spend in 1-2 seasons you can buy another engine...

CrashChris said:
I change every other wknd. What source if i may ask has recommended and oil change every other day or lets say,5 sessions an day at 20 min x 2 days = 200min or just over 3 hrs engine use. Engine hours is a more relevant number to me.
A csbk wknd only doing sbk would equate to the same number of min approx. and that would inc friday practice.
If i do sportbike and sbk it almost means over 4 hrs. Should i do mine almost every day?

I am really curious, not joking. It seems a bit excessive to me. I have never heard of anything that low.
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racepro171 said:
300v is not designed to sit for periods of time in the engine, like a race bike that will sit for weeks at a time. ask the big sharks, they know
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That would tell me that they have a poor base stock and every additive shears easily. Ie a VERY cheap oil. Do you know of any details to back up this claim or is it just a rumour? I've manufactured oils that shear easily but never any motor oil synthetic or Dino that did this.
 
Rossi86 said:
What CrashChris said, it's the hours the bike spends near the redline not the track days it goes through. I must be attending the wrong trackdays but last year every trackday I went to I never had a full day due to crashes, weather, bad organization by the staff etc.

Changing oil every other trackday is just overkill, the amount of extra money you spend in 1-2 seasons you can buy another engine...
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Really? I spent $500 in oil/filters this year doing a full national season as wel as a couple regionals. If you can find me a 2011-2015 ZX10 motor for that price I'll buy it tomorrow. Let's triple that actually and I'll buy it and give you commission.



RedDogDarren said:
That would tell me that they have a poor base stock and every additive shears easily. Ie a VERY cheap oil. Do you know of any details to back up this claim or is it just a rumour? I've manufactured oils that shear easily but never any motor oil synthetic or Dino that did this.
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The details come from top engine builders and their recommended oil change intervals. They don't make money off of each jug of 300V sold so what reasoning would there be to make this recommendation? If they wanted to make money they'd say don't change it, that way when your motor ends up worn out/blown up they make money on a rebuild.
 
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boooorrrring....the OP should spend time researching something more of us are interested in....for example , "who would win in a fight , a horse or a horse-sized duck ?"
 
Dr. Luxurious said:
boooorrrring....the OP should spend time researching something more of us are interested in....for example , "who would win in a fight , a horse or a horse-sized duck ?"
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If it looks like a duck, in fairness to op there are only couple three dozen ways to skin a cat. Takes huge balls to attempt breathing new life into the tired old oil thread genre. Boring? Not if you don't mind making new enemies.
 
dricked said:
Really? I spent $500 in oil/filters this year doing a full national season as wel as a couple regionals. If you can find me a 2011-2015 ZX10 motor for that price I'll buy it tomorrow. Let's triple that actually and I'll buy it and give you commission.

The details come from top engine builders and their recommended oil change intervals. They don't make money off of each jug of 300V sold so what reasoning would there be to make this recommendation? If they wanted to make money they'd say don't change it, that way when your motor ends up worn out/blown up they make money on a rebuild.
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Are you sure your top engine builder doesn't make any money selling oil? It's hard to believe your engine builder has a specialized bike shop that builds engines for CSBK but doesn't sell oil and filters on the side too... Have you or your engine builder ever analyzed your oil during the season to conclude that if oil is not changed every (or every other) trackday the engine will get damaged?

Here are some people from another forum who have done oil analyses on their trackbikes http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?268175-Oil-Change-Frequency-Track-Use :

Checking with Blackstone [oil analysis lab] told me that my ZX6 could do AT LEAST 10 days on track without needing an oil change. I simply did not feel good about going past that though. I was using Shell Rotella at the time.
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Personally- I run oil for full season of trackdays and my oil analysis shows that I still have more than 50% of the additive left and minmal shearing. Last year I ran 14 days over 8 weekends. If I'm bored next week I might be convinced to post my most recent couple of Blackstone reports onto that thread.
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Here's another link that might interest you and everyone else on trackday oil change interval, this guy goes as far as changing it as per manual i.e 6000 kms lol:
http://biketrackdayshub.com/how-often-to-change-motorcycle-oil/

dropping your oil after every 1-2 track days isn’t really necessary
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[h=3]So, how often should you change motorcycle oil?[/h]Quite simply, according to your service manual. It should be clear now that today’s oil and filtration systems have been specifically designed and manufactured to keep your engine as lubricated and protected as possible, and knowing that the engine manufacturer would have taken into account particles in suspension when specifying the filter, as well as oil degradation due to engine wear and the combustion process, it’s safe to say that your engine will be protected right up until the time specified in your manual.
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I'll make a deal with you, do 1 full synthetic oil change at the beginning of your race season, then give me the rest of the $500. If your engine blows up next season due to not changing your oil, I'll gladly buy you another engine...
 
Just for sake of comparing apples to apples, racing is not a track day and a track day is not racing.

Also, an engine not blowing at the end of or during the season does not prove there is no unnecessary wear and damage to said engine.

and now my .02 cents are over
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