Red light camera ticket for turning right

If I remember correctly, after mailing back the ticket with the option I picked. I waited about a week to go online and check the status and date of the court date. All the information asked is on your ticket. During the court date (ZOOM), I asked about early resolution. This was in Mississauga, Peel Region.
 
I asked for early resolution because I wanted to talk to the prosecutor and ask them what their angle was? Evidence? Anyways, going to trial now so I have asked for disclosure to see the evidence. I have absolutely no problem going to trial.
 
I got a photo radar ticket re too fast in a school zone. Guilty, paid the fine, no points on license.

Same in Calgary in a rented car. Guilty, paid the fine, no license impact.

For me not worth the time and effort, plus zero impact on my license and insurance.

Speeding, officer wrote it up as 109 in an 80 vs. the actual of 114. Minor vs major ticket. Caught a break, but went to court hoping officer would not show up, he did and I lost. Judge asked prosecutor if he wanted to reinstate the ticket to 114, he looked at me, smiled, paused a bit to rub it in ............ and then said no, 109 it was. From what I observed re insurance no impact on this first ticket.

I'm only going to fight a ticket that has the potential to impact my license or insurance rates.
 
ReSTored said:
I got a photo radar ticket re too fast in a school zone. Guilty, paid the fine, no points on license.

Same in Calgary in a rented car. Guilty, paid the fine, no license impact.

For me not worth the time and effort, plus zero impact on my license and insurance.

Speeding, officer wrote it up as 109 in an 80 vs. the actual of 114. Minor vs major ticket. Caught a break, but went to court hoping officer would not show up, he did and I lost. Judge asked prosecutor if he wanted to reinstate the ticket to 114, he looked at me, smiled, paused a bit to rub it in ............ and then said no, 109 it was. From what I observed re insurance no impact on this first ticket.

I'm only going to fight a ticket that has the potential to impact my license or insurance rates.
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That is the great part about our justice system, you can choose to simply pay the fine or you can challenge it.
 
I got disclosure finally. There is no video evidence included, just the same images that are on the ticket and a bunch of statements that the officer signed and states are correct blah blah. Funny if you google him, his social media states he is a photography enthusiast! Anyways not sure which angle I am going to approach this one, might just simply ask the judge some questions for clarification and go from there.
 
Fuzzbuster said:
It appears 1.8 seconds elapsed from the time of the first image behind the white line to mid turn. Is that the basis for the time stopped and proceeding to turn? Therefore the officer concludes that is not enough time to stop completely and proceed? Or do they try to interpret brake lights and vehicular traffic flow for timing? Basically I am looking for the actual proof or evidence to conclude there was no complete stop. If there was video it would be simple but because it is static images it is difficult. In the first image it appears there is a full and complete stop. If you go by the vehicles travelling through the intersection it appears some time elapsed during the stop. Is this a judgement call on the officers part or backed up by an actual fact.
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The Camera knows when the light turned red then the "elapsed time" is when it detects the vehicle crossing the white STOP line. The reviewing officer has NO input on the timing it is all automated by the camera.
 
Fuzzbuster said:
If you choose option 2 which is early resolution and the matter does not get resolved, how do you then exercise your option for trial? Do I check both option 2 and 3 when I send in the form. Only asking because in the past I have only ever checked box 3. In this case I would like to talk to the prosecutor first just to see what he has to say.
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Crowns generally will not deal on Red light tickets. they are considered "Absolute Liability" offences meaning it is up to the accused to prove they are not guilty as opposed to regular offences which require the crown to prove the offence. The Supreme Court has ruled that the existence of the photo is absolute proof of the offence.

You have a better chance of arguing it in front of the JP, you "may" get a sympathetic JP....lol
 
Brian P said:
Also, if there's video, bear in mind that you have to stop before the stop line. A stop past the stop line doesn't count as a stop. Not 100% on interpretation but this probably means having any part of your vehicle past the stop line. It's unlikely that the camera is positioned to allow this to be judged definitively, but if your front wheels are visible past the stop line, that's bad.

Most drivers get this wrong. Legally, if the stop line is in a dumb place, too far back from the junction such that you can't see what's coming, you have to do the legally-required-to-fulfill-your-obligation stop before the stop line, then pull ahead for the do-what-has-to-be-done stop. Yes, it's stupid, and it means the design of the junction is wrong.
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There's an odd intersection near me, a four way stop, but one set of bars is so far from the sidewalk line they are deceiving. I expect to get rear ended one day because the lines are contrary to common sense.

From the MOT:

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Diagram 3-5 shows the red car, stop line, sidewalk line and intersection line. I assume that no part of the vehicle or load (IE 20-foot 2X4 on roof racks) should cross the stop line before stopping.

How many SUV drivers can accurately judge the location of their front bumper?
 
GreyGhost said:
If there are pedestrians, I will stop before the stop line. When no pedestrians are around, most of the time I stop closer to the curb line. I very rarely do the double stop that I am supposed to do.
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Once you have made the mandatory stop at the stop line, wouldn't you be allowed to creep forward cautiously and enter the intersection as conditions allow?
 
Fuzzbuster said:
I got disclosure finally. There is no video evidence included, just the same images that are on the ticket and a bunch of statements that the officer signed and states are correct blah blah. Funny if you google him, his social media states he is a photography enthusiast! Anyways not sure which angle I am going to approach this one, might just simply ask the judge some questions for clarification and go from there.
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Hopefully he's not a Photoshop enthusiast.
 
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