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Quiet helmets? - this might come as a surprise
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Two of my friends have switched to noisier helmets then.One before a faceplant and one after. Earplugs aren't just to attract the ladies.
p.s. There was nothing in the conclusions regarding which helmet or helmet type was quieter. Are you reading extra things into the study?
p.s. There was nothing in the conclusions regarding which helmet or helmet type was quieter. Are you reading extra things into the study?
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too much
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Some of us are doing both, and enjoy riding hard in the twisties, there the need for armour and full face. And once you get used with, it doesn't bother you that much.... now that's on the road, as by the cofee shop I also tend to wear shorts and t-shirt
I gues most tourers have storage, at least a top box, but that wouldn't make any of them go with shorts and flip flops while riding hard. One can also have nice conversations with ff helmets, I personally like flip-ups and I find my N90 quieter than my Shoei ... Nonetheless I allways wear earplugs as I cannot stand the wind noise on hwy speed.
I would not wear an open face helmet ... although I don't expect anything bad happening to me on a daily basis, just for that one time, when $#it happens... I hate pain more than I hate heat... actually I love heat
2 cents worth....
So by this logic, does not wearing a helmet offer the best sound protection???
ROFLMAO People, make your own choices and live the consequences, posting the results of a study is informative and might make someone think about something they took for granted. We all have opinions on what works for us.
I always find the humor when long time riders ( I'm an old fart myself) get flammed by relative newbies, yes Johnny you're 3,000K season and $8,000 worth of gear really make you an authority
Cheers 8)
Aminal
what about my 40,000km a season with $600 of gear? Wear it or not, just don't ***** about the rash if you didn't wear gear.
TorontoBoy
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I have a windshield and lowers. Wind going up my FF is negligible. I also wear earplugs, so the increase quietness of a half helmet is negligible. I prefer the additional 34.6% crash coverage from my chin guard.
Helmet crash zones. Source: Dietmar Otte, Medizinische Hochschule Hannover, Abteilung Verkehrsunfallforschung, Germany
Cited in the Hurt report and reprinted in David Hough's Proficient Motorcycling.
Helmet crash zones. Source: Dietmar Otte, Medizinische Hochschule Hannover, Abteilung Verkehrsunfallforschung, GermanyCited in the Hurt report and reprinted in David Hough's Proficient Motorcycling.
You need to check your logic. One particular half helmet being quieter than one particular full face does not equal all half helmets are quieter than all full faces.
The study's thesis seemed to be more along the lines of "Noise protection in helmets for Occupational Motorcyclists is inadequate, and current methods of noise reduction do not resolve the issue sufficiently."
The want a noise reduction method that does not use ear plugs by the sounds of it.
The study's thesis seemed to be more along the lines of "Noise protection in helmets for Occupational Motorcyclists is inadequate, and current methods of noise reduction do not resolve the issue sufficiently."
The want a noise reduction method that does not use ear plugs by the sounds of it.
Except that any number of reviewers have noted the same thing about 3/4 being quieter than FF .
As the tests showed here, 5 db is not a small amount - I have both, tho the Shoei is going up for sale now I have the newer Bell Mag 8 as it serves the same purpose but in a way I prefer.
Healthy approach and the one I stick with - gear that is appropriate...hard in the twisties armour up......casual ride - comfort clothes. I'm comfortable in armour and out of it....don't like FF except in very cold or big time bugs.
Dirt road I most often put the gloves back on and quite frankly it has to be a 30+ day before the armoured mesh jacket bothers me at all at slow speeds. Certainly a nice bit of comfortable gear and with the liner good down to 10.
One piece of gear I have come to enjoy nearly all the time is zip up riding boots that cover my calf. Somewhat like these - a bit more minimalist.
It's mostly due to the sole material which I find is really good anti-slip material - the Burgman is heavy so anything that adds to the foot planting stability is worthwhile tho they get hot when off the bike.
Surprisingly comfortable to walk around in so very little downside and while not waterproof they did an adequate job in a deluge up by Perth and once more the anti-slip was welcome. I have weak ankles anyways and they tend to roll over at awkward times so the ankle support is worthwhile.
and they do cut down on the shorts wearing....
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or a safe rider..
..which is a significant contention of mine that younger riders see track guys falling off at speed and think the armour will save their sorry ***** off track so push beyond their bike or skill limits.
I see a few on here relating their crashes and just shake my head in wonder.....learn to ride upright for ****s sake....then you can push it and NOT crash.
As the tests showed here, 5 db is not a small amount - I have both, tho the Shoei is going up for sale now I have the newer Bell Mag 8 as it serves the same purpose but in a way I prefer.
Healthy approach and the one I stick with - gear that is appropriate...hard in the twisties armour up......casual ride - comfort clothes. I'm comfortable in armour and out of it....don't like FF except in very cold or big time bugs.
Dirt road I most often put the gloves back on and quite frankly it has to be a 30+ day before the armoured mesh jacket bothers me at all at slow speeds. Certainly a nice bit of comfortable gear and with the liner good down to 10.
One piece of gear I have come to enjoy nearly all the time is zip up riding boots that cover my calf. Somewhat like these - a bit more minimalist.
It's mostly due to the sole material which I find is really good anti-slip material - the Burgman is heavy so anything that adds to the foot planting stability is worthwhile tho they get hot when off the bike.
Surprisingly comfortable to walk around in so very little downside and while not waterproof they did an adequate job in a deluge up by Perth and once more the anti-slip was welcome. I have weak ankles anyways and they tend to roll over at awkward times so the ankle support is worthwhile.
and they do cut down on the shorts wearing....
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or a safe rider..
..which is a significant contention of mine that younger riders see track guys falling off at speed and think the armour will save their sorry ***** off track so push beyond their bike or skill limits.
I see a few on here relating their crashes and just shake my head in wonder.....learn to ride upright for ****s sake....then you can push it and NOT crash.
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EngineerJoe
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Doesn't seem that loud in my helmet... 103.6 dB(A) is louder than my Jeep (and riding always seems quieter than my Jeep)
Almost 4x as loud actually... I'd write out the equation, but then we'd have another PEDMAS/BEDMAS/SEXMAS debate.
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Except that any number of reviewers have noted the same thing about 3/4 being quieter than FF .
As the tests showed here, 5 db is not a small amount - I have both, tho the Shoei is going up for sale now I have the newer Bell Mag 8 as it serves the same purpose but in a way I prefer.
Healthy approach and the one I stick with - gear that is appropriate...hard in the twisties armour up......casual ride - comfort clothes. I'm comfortable in armour and out of it....don't like FF except in very cold or big time bugs.
Dirt road I most often put the gloves back on and quite frankly it has to be a 30+ day before the armoured mesh jacket bothers me at all at slow speeds. Certainly a nice bit of comfortable gear and with the liner good down to 10.
One piece of gear I have come to enjoy nearly all the time is zip up riding boots that cover my calf. Somewhat like these - a bit more minimalist.
It's mostly due to the sole material which I find is really good anti-slip material - the Burgman is heavy so anything that adds to the foot planting stability is worthwhile tho they get hot when off the bike.
Surprisingly comfortable to walk around in so very little downside and while not waterproof they did an adequate job in a deluge up by Perth and once more the anti-slip was welcome. I have weak ankles anyways and they tend to roll over at awkward times so the ankle support is worthwhile.
and they do cut down on the shorts wearing....
••••
or a safe rider..
..which is a significant contention of mine that younger riders see track guys falling off at speed and think the armour will save their sorry ***** off track so push beyond their bike or skill limits.
I see a few on here relating their crashes and just shake my head in wonder.....learn to ride upright for ****s sake....then you can push it and NOT crash.
I'd be careful about trusting reviews, they are always written with an agenda, sometimes by those selling the product. If your product provides ~ 33% less protection, you might want to play up certain other aspects of the product. I don't think that any agency tests sufficient helmets for quietness, so that we could go on more than anecdotal evidence, such as you have provided.
A scientific paper with a thesis comparing the noise of full face to half helmets would help.
I agree that one should wear appropriate gear for the activity. I just don't agree on your choice of gear, but it is your choice and not mine.
I hope that you are not wearing insufficient gear because of the "cool" factor; there is nothing that you can wear that will make you look "cool" on a scooter - Sorry.
Since the wind noise is cut done with my helmet and earplugs, I find it easy enough to listen to my Scala Rider Q2 while riding.
A weird note: In my M2X exam, the two open faced helmet riders found it impossible to hear the instructions throught the provided earpiece, unless they covered their ears in masking tape.
I kinda shorta live in all the camps above.
I have been wearing Modular helmuits for the last three years (about 130,000 km) and really like them. At the beginning I was using HJC (as they fit my square head the best) but undoubtably they were nosier than my full face. That didn't matter a lot as I wear earplugs (and realy all of you should if you spend much time riding.) I got a Scorpion Modular last year and it has a little chin skirt that dramatically cuts noise. It has proven to be much quieter than the HJC's were.
Having said all that, when riding at slower speeds in hot weather I often will flip up the helmet and am essentially riding a 3/4 in that case (in fact this helmet can easilly be converted to a 3/4 helmet with the parts and shield supplied with it.)
As far as gear goes, I tend to be ATGATT but am not hard core about it. My Roadcrafter two piece is so handy to take on and off and it allows me to wear anything under it ( from suit and tie to shorts and t-shirt) so it is great in hot or cold weather. But when doing social events shorts and boots don't look so great so I will often take off the overpants and wear draggin jeans.
..Tom
I have been wearing Modular helmuits for the last three years (about 130,000 km) and really like them. At the beginning I was using HJC (as they fit my square head the best) but undoubtably they were nosier than my full face. That didn't matter a lot as I wear earplugs (and realy all of you should if you spend much time riding.) I got a Scorpion Modular last year and it has a little chin skirt that dramatically cuts noise. It has proven to be much quieter than the HJC's were.
Having said all that, when riding at slower speeds in hot weather I often will flip up the helmet and am essentially riding a 3/4 in that case (in fact this helmet can easilly be converted to a 3/4 helmet with the parts and shield supplied with it.)
As far as gear goes, I tend to be ATGATT but am not hard core about it. My Roadcrafter two piece is so handy to take on and off and it allows me to wear anything under it ( from suit and tie to shorts and t-shirt) so it is great in hot or cold weather. But when doing social events shorts and boots don't look so great so I will often take off the overpants and wear draggin jeans.
..Tom
Given the SQUID attitude it seems some riders think that they are going to be point and laughed at every time they go out with gear on.
I'm well beyond being embarrassed by things like that.
It's your choice, but I promise to not point and laugh at you if you wear gear.
When I get on an airplane and read the safety manual.
When I go SCUBA diving, I double check all my gear, and take a buddy.
I don't do this because I think I'm going to crash or drown, but because I like to tip the odds in my favour if something does go awry.
Since I'm getting older, and the amount of damage that one can survive decreases as we age, I like to tip the odds in my favour for riding as well.
Ill ride with someone whos got full gear or is in shorts and tshirt as long as you dont ride like a dick. Its your body and your choice. If I dont like it then I do what I find comfortable. I will never laugh at someone in full gear on the hottest day of the year. Because technically they've got it right. What I will do is laugh at the posers who wear full gear, ride 5 min to a meet and stand in the beating sun for hours cus it looks cool (well they think so anyways).
stevie t
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At least he can hear himself scream in pain....
Actually, I found the guys helmet cam video, looks like he was wearing an MX style helmet.....go figure....
[video=youtube;3ImuTpUYa-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3ImuTpUYa-4[/video]
Actually, I found the guys helmet cam video, looks like he was wearing an MX style helmet.....go figure....
[video=youtube;3ImuTpUYa-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3ImuTpUYa-4[/video]
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00ninja
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1+ I practice this Gearing up routine: save face and hearing. Focus on the ride!
it's called a windshield.....
getting geared up in 35 degree heat for a 10 minute ride to the pool at max 40kph - well ....sorry but that's over the top.
I wear the gear appropriate the circumstances....from shorts and tshirt to full armour and once in a while a full face but it's rare. I like the Bell as the drop down shield ( rarely used ) gives good coverage in the rain and cold but open most often. I prefer to keep my helmet on and chat with people and be able to interact with drivers and people along the way instead of being this faceless robot.
+1
Ear plugs are for most rides tho to the corner store not. They do make you far less tired and you can focus on the ride better. Hell I SLEEP better with them in at times.
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