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It does happen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBHOTK4sQPY&sns=em




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What is amazing is the amount of crap she had to deal with afterwards from her fellow "blue blood" co-workers

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?183409-Bike-Police-fatal-crash

I hope this officer is held accountable for his actions. Ontario has gotten way out of hand! OPP at KC has told us if someone was to run from them they would f'n ram them into a wall! WTF is that? Something needs to be done here.
And don't be mistaken, they will get away with it, like the cop that killed (there is no other description as he was alive and the cop actions caused him to die) a rider on that link

And here is bike cop trying to defend this ********, bunch of ******** is what cops are in Ontario

One interaction with cops in Pennsylvania and i have the greatest respect for those guys, Ontario is just in a league of it's own.
 
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Good for her for doing the right thing.. oh yeah I mean screw the cops they're all bad. :rolleyes:

One good deed does not exonerate a hundred bad ones. Good cops don't last.
 
I can get that attitude living in the big stink. They're not all bad. I have several family and friends that are not. I've dated one for quite a while and neither is she. They've all been doing the job for years. It's like saying anyone in a car is a bad driver. Sure there's several but that doesn't make them all bad.
 
I can get that attitude living in the big stink. They're not all bad. I have several family and friends that are not. I've dated one for quite a while and neither is she. They've all been doing the job for years. It's like saying anyone in a car is a bad driver. Sure there's several but that doesn't make them all bad.


Not all bad and I do respect most of them and would not want the job, but on the flip side look up Robert Dziekanski and see if those policeman in charge were good /bad/*ugly*
 
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Yes there's bad cops. I get that. There's bad everyone everywhere. Doesn't make everyone on the planet an ******* though does it? Even in the almighty center of the toilet bowl Toronto there are some decent cops.
 
This is one of the things that makes some people think cops are OK. They treat friends and family completely differently than the general public. They know that the public does not like or trust them, and so if they want to have ANY friend or family interaction, they need to treat those people differently. Thereby, making those people think that cops are generally OK people... because their exposure is completely different from that of others. The cops themselves, and the people that work with them, usually have (in my experience) no illusions, however.

I'm not saying there are no good cops. Although, if there really were good cops, there wouldn't be bad ones.
 
Dude you have a jaded view of police. I understand that. You know the cop who responded to my crash last year has personally called me a couple times to check on how I'm doing. He also rides and we've actually become friends. Crazy eh? He's pretty cool too for a fire spitting spawn of Satan as you paint them all to be.
 
Jaded? Realistic. If you are arguing with me trying to change my mind, you're completely going down the wrong path. My convictions aren't just strong, they're concrete and they're based on long experience, exposure, and the opinions of police (and those who work directly with police) themselves. I guess you just don't get it. It's not my opinion, it's reality... there are damned few good people working in the forces. You're never going to make me change my mind or hold my tongue, because I know what I know, and I know that something has to change. I've already said I have police who are friends and family and I understand how that relationship works.

This "us" and "them" mentality is not healthy and doesn't lead anywhere good, but it's primarily the cops who have created it.

And let me guess... your friend doesn't charge you for things that he'd charge anyone else with... amirite? Is that why he's "pretty cool?" Does he laugh when you bust out a wheelie instead of escorting your bike to a lock-up and tossing your life down the sh|tter?
 
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Jaded? Realistic. If you are arguing with me trying to change my mind, you're completely going down the wrong path. My convictions aren't just strong, they're concrete and they're based on long experience, exposure, and the opinions of police (and those who work directly with police) themselves. I guess you just don't get it. It's not my opinion, it's reality... there are damned few good people working in the forces. You're never going to make me change my mind or hold my tongue, because I know what I know, and I know that something has to change. I've already said I have police who are friends and family and I understand how that relationship works.

This "us" and "them" mentality is not healthy and doesn't lead anywhere good, but it's primarily the cops who have created it.

And let me guess... your friend doesn't charge you for things that he'd charge anyone else with... amirite? Is that why he's "pretty cool?" Does he laugh when you bust out a wheelie instead of escorting your bike to a lock-up and tossing your life down the sh|tter?

Let's be realistic. You are only expressing a realistic OPINON based on a mentally calculated statistic of your experience. Until you have had negative dealings with every enforcement official everywhere then it stays an opinion. I too have had some nasty experiences with cops including Professional Standards. Unlike you I have made many friends who are cops and good people. Enough to know good ones ARE out there.

Cops are people. Sadly they normally just deal with the scum of humanity who only wish them dead. See how it would affect you to learn to see everyone as human waste with just a few co-workers who can relate to it and are your sole back-up. Jail guards also are emotionally affected by this phenomenon.

What you are expressing is an inability to see beyond your own world and place yourself in their shoes. But it's not your fault if you have been badly hurt by policemen in life, it's just sadly edging closer to being an old man with rigid and bitter views to take with you to the grave.

We don't mention many good experiences, but we shout vitriol from the mountaintop with every single bad one.
 
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Let's be realistic. You are only expressing a realistic OPINON based on a mentally calculated statistic of your experience. Until you have had negative dealings with every enforcement official everywhere then it stays an opinion.

Wrong. I have had enough bad experiences and know enough things about the forces - and believe me, I know them and am not guessing - to know that I need to approach cops CAUTIOUSLY and not trust them until its been proven that the individuals involved are decent, competent, reasonable or hopefully some mix of those three. Most of the time, when I contact police, all I care is if they're competent and that's been quite a gamble, too.

I too have had some nasty experiences with cops including Professional Standards. Unlike you I have made many friends who are cops and good people. Enough to know good ones ARE out there.

Congratulations, you have pet cops. See my note about friends and family and how they relate to cops. They're the best kind of cops to know, but they're still cops, so don't give them a reason to make life hard for you... if you care to, you can read some stories from my friend who worked HR for a nearby force - they're either on the forum or in the archive.

Cops are people.

Cops are people who give themselves privileges that other people don't have, and most of them regularly abuse these privileges extended by their fellow cops and management. Trust them at your peril, because this makes them act differently under stress or in anger than most of us would. This is the point people seem to be missing. This is not my opinion, either - there is a good reason why cops have to undergo counselling whenever they are in an encounter with violence leading to complaints or injuries.

Sadly they normally just deal with the scum of humanity who only wish them dead.

But they don't. Very little of a regular "beat cop's" duties involve this. It was estimated that 2% of police duties in Ontario involved some sort of criminal investigation (not to mention the number of charges), whereas the rest was primarily related to the HTA. I got this figure from a recent article about OPP costs, and if I could lay my hands on it quickly enough I'd have posted it here. So the vast, vast majority of police interaction is with the productive middle or upper-middle class "regular Joes" who can afford to use vehicles as transportation.

Jail guards also are emotionally affected by this phenomenon.

Jail guards moreso. At least the cops who actually do the work to catch criminals (get my detective acquaintances started on this subject and prepare for a long rant) get satisfaction when they apprehend and jail the perpetrators. Guards just have to deal with the inmates and rarely hope to ever see change... and they often see the same offenders again, shortly after they've left the jail; they're right back in. Real criminals are sad for everyone involved, but law enforcement doesn't care much about real criminals anymore. Do remember, I live in Jail Central. I had the union chief of Corrections pull a .45 pistol on me for saying something he didn't like to his daughter about 20 years ago (I told her she wasn't her dad, so stop trying to act like him), so I am most familiar with the stress of that job.

Just tonight walking to my car from the gym, I watched a local prostitute (see her all the time walking Montreal street) buying hard drugs from a local junkie not 15 steps from the methadone clinic. The cops know where the clinic is, and they know exactly who the people are. How is it that I see these same people all the time walking free on the street? How is I see the same people at the clinic year after year?

What you are expressing is an inability to see beyond your own world and place yourself in their shoes.

Wrong again. I've worked with law enforcement multiple times - even as my job. I didn't say exactly how, but I've had my feet firmly in those shoes. I can see their world and it frankly stinks from many angles, but more importantly what really stinks is how so many of them choose to deal with that.

But it's not your fault if you have been badly hurt by policemen in life

I've never said that. You're reading something into this that hasn't been the case. The fact is, I have no criminal record and my dealings with the police have been relatively mild. That doesn't change the fact that I know a great deal about the forces, and how they act both in public and in private. I've even outlined multiple times that I have worked with police previous to this, and that I have had a longtime friend who worked in HR on the forces - not to mention friends, family and acquaintances who are cops. Then I can point at the G20 in 2010 and things I overheard the week before it as well as after it from local police (again, see the archives if you want) as well as many other extremely negative police experiences that did not involve me directly. When you have had years and years of it as well as the input from police themselves who are good people and feel intense frustration at the way their co-workers handle themselves... well, I'd be an idiot to blindly trust any cop. You would be, too.

We don't mention many good experiences, but we shout vitriol from the mountaintop with every single bad one.

Hypocritical, much?
 
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Shaman.... Tell us.....where did the officer touch you....
Were here for ya bud, let it out :)

Funny you say that. The closest I ever got to being raped was from a policeman's 17yo son when I was 11. I escaped, and told my family about it. Nothing got done that I ever knew about, except that my parents stopped associating with them and I was never in their presence again. How's that work for you? FYI I was far to young to know any of the details of what happened after the fact and it didn't leave me with any lasting impression of the police. However, getting pulled out of my 12' boat with a 4hp engine on it for towing my friend around on a styrofoam surfboard at 5km/h when I was 12 years old and my dad going down to city hall with me to speak rather forcefully to the chief of police about his idiot cops was an eye-opener. Anything else really personal you'd like me to address?
 
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Funny you say that. The closest I ever got to being raped was from a policeman's 17yo son when I was 11. I escaped, and told my family about it. Nothing got done that I ever knew about, except that my parents stopped associating with them and I was never in their presence again. How's that work for you? FYI I was far to young to know any of the details of what happened after the fact and it didn't leave me with any lasting impression of the police. However, getting pulled out of my 12' boat with a 4hp engine on it for towing my friend around on a styrofoam surfboard at 5km/h when I was 12 years old and my dad going down to city hall with me to speak rather forcefully to the chief of police about his idiot cops was an eye-opener. Anything else really personal you'd like me to address?

Did you reach orgasm when the 3 RCMPs were shot? :)
 
Did you reach orgasm when the 3 RCMPs were shot? :)

No. But I was annoyed as @#$% when they were shouted from mountaintop to mountaintop as heroes and the RCMP public relations propaganda hit every media outlet like a bomb... like every bad thing that the RCMP had done recently and all the bad press they've got over the past decade were unimportant in the wash of three of their guys getting shot. "Hug an RCMP officer today!" It's a sad situation for their families and maybe the community too... but when do, say, military members who are supposedly fighting for our freedom and sovereignty get that kind of last hurrah? Virtually never, is when. Ugh.
 
Did you reach orgasm when the 3 RCMPs were shot? :)


I don't think all law officers are bad , in fact many are heroe's and I know could not step in their footprints, but some times they drop the ball very very badly, just google this name Robert Dziekański
 
Wrong. I have had enough bad experiences and know enough things about the forces - and believe me, I know them and am not guessing - to know that I need to approach cops CAUTIOUSLY and not trust them until its been proven that the individuals involved are decent, competent, reasonable or hopefully some mix of those three. Most of the time, when I contact police, all I care is if they're competent and that's been quite a gamble, too. What you just described is a life practice. Why single out cops? Do you blindly trust everyone you meet as long as their profession isn't law enforcement?



Congratulations, you have pet cops. See my note about friends and family and how they relate to cops. They're the best kind of cops to know, but they're still cops, so don't give them a reason to make life hard for you... if you care to, you can read some stories from my friend who worked HR for a nearby force - they're either on the forum or in the archive. I don't have pet anything. Most don't belong to the local detachments so I get nothing but good friends (convenient since I never need police favors), and I knew they were cops after getting to know them shortly after meeting them. Interesting you would make that comment when you say you have family and friends who are cops. I wonder what they would think if they knew you thought they were your pets. I once thought of a woman as my sex poodle, I hope you don't feel that way about your cop buddy pets?



Cops are people who give themselves privileges that other people don't have, and most of them regularly abuse these privileges extended by their fellow cops and management. Trust them at your peril, because this makes them act differently under stress or in anger than most of us would. This is the point people seem to be missing. This is not my opinion, either - there is a good reason why cops have to undergo counselling and are screened (poorly, these days) for anger issues before even hiring them. To trust anyone blindly is to invite disaster. And the screening is just to get the personality type that fits the cop brotherhood. That may explain some of the pack mentality we both loathe in anyone who abuses power.



But they don't. Very little of a regular "beat cop's" duties involve this. It was estimated that 2% of police duties in Ontario involved some sort of criminal investigation (not to mention the number of charges), whereas the rest was primarily related to the HTA. I got this figure from a recent article about OPP costs, and if I could lay my hands on it quickly enough I'd have posted it here. So the vast, vast majority of police interaction is with the productive middle or upper-middle class "regular Joes" who can afford to use vehicles as transportation. Agreed.



Jail guards moreso. At least the cops who actually do the work to catch criminals (get my detective acquaintances started on this subject and prepare for a long rant) get satisfaction when they apprehend and jail the perpetrators. Guards just have to deal with the inmates and rarely hope to ever see change... and they often see the same offenders again, shortly after they've left the jail; they're right back in. Real criminals are sad for everyone involved, but law enforcement doesn't care much about real criminals anymore. Do remember, I live in Jail Central. I had the union chief of Corrections pull a .45 pistol on me for saying something he didn't like to his daughter about 20 years ago (I told her she wasn't her dad, so stop trying to act like him), so I am most familiar with the stress of that job. And being former USMC I've had the pleasure of dealing with maximum security facilities and their guards in the US, so I am quite familiar with the harshest versions. So what? I had 2 cops point their guns in my face as a 15 year old. Again, so what? This does not make me a hero or the authority on law enforcement. And perhaps getting between a crazy step father and his daughter shows slightly bad judgment.

Just tonight walking to my car from the gym, I watched a local prostitute (see her all the time walking Montreal street) buying hard drugs from a local junkie not 15 steps from the methadone clinic. The cops know where the clinic is, and they know exactly who the people are. How is it that I see these same people all the time walking free on the street? How is I see the same people at the clinic year after year? Agreed.



Wrong again. I've worked with law enforcement multiple times - even as my job. I didn't say exactly how, but I've had my feet firmly in those shoes. I can see their world and it frankly stinks from many angles, but more importantly what really stinks is how so many of them choose to deal with that. It does stink. But getting on the soap box to keep shouting how evil cops are is horribly obtuse and seems a very strange agenda. To what end?



I've never said that. You're reading something into this that hasn't been the case. The fact is, I have no criminal record and my dealings with the police have been relatively mild. That doesn't change the fact that I know a great deal about the forces, and how they act both in public and in private. I've even outlined multiple times that I have worked with police previous to this, and that I have had a longtime friend who worked in HR on the forces - not to mention friends, family and acquaintances who are cops. Then I can point at the G20 in 2010 and things I overheard the week before it as well as after it from local police (again, see the archives if you want) as well as many other extremely negative police experiences that did not involve me directly. When you have had years and years of it as well as the input from police themselves who are good people and feel intense frustration at the way their co-workers handle themselves... well, I'd be an idiot to blindly trust any cop. You would be, too. So all of your experience is hearsay. That really does say it all doesn't it?


Hypocritical, much? Not at all. It's a statement on the human condition. Excellent attempt at deflection, although entirely transparent.


I wish I could say this thread was interesting. But I need to go for a ride.
 
Holy crap what did I start? There's bad ones. Dealt with many. Used to get harassed weekly by the same guy for years. Why? Because I was a young guy with a nice car and he didn't like it. He was/is and always will be a complete d bag. There were so many complaints of him and his partner that they were shipped to another Opp branch. So yes I know there are cops who think they're superman. You were wrong in that they don't give themselves any power. That's up to whoever hires them.

As for my friend no he hasn't given me a ticket. I don't drive like a twat in his presence. That's not him giving me special treatment. That's me conducting myself like a human being. So what? If I do something stupid like 180 up hwy 10 like this weekends hero did I'd fully expect to get nailed. Some of us just aren't that stupid. Do I get followed and "randomly" pulled over in Orangeville or forks? Absolutely. Know why? One cop has a hard on for mine and my buddies ices because we're the only two who live here with them. He's a total ******* who has no reason to bother me yet does. Other Orangeville cops I've had dealings with are nice.... see the pattern? You're entitled to your own opinion and I understand it's jaded because of a lot of bad cops. I'm was merely demonstrating now all of them are that bad.
 
What you just described is a life practice. Why single out cops? Do you blindly trust everyone you meet as long as their profession isn't law enforcement?

No. But I don't actively have concern that they will do something random and/or unwanted to me. Or violent. I do have that concern with cops. Most people you will meet in other professions don't carry guns, nightsticks, tasers and a get-out-of-jail-free card. As arguments go, this one from you is really weak.

This does not make me a hero or the authority on law enforcement. And perhaps getting between a crazy step father and his daughter shows slightly bad judgment.

But surely you file that information away and remember that law enforcement and related jobs could be unpredictable and violent... and they're armed... amirite? You think it's in any way acceptable to put a gun to a young guy's head and threaten his life for any personal reason whatsoever that doesn't involve similar threat? That's crazy talk. Also, who said I got between anyone... she made a snide comment and in a tone that no kid should ever use, and I told her that she wasn't her father and shouldn't talk to me like that. That's what he put a gun to my head for. Also, I didn't say she was 15.

It does stink. But getting on the soap box to keep shouting how evil cops are is horribly obtuse and seems a very strange agenda. To what end?

Because if there's anything that leads to getting more of the same, it's not discussing what's going on. We're told it's impolite to discuss politics or religion, too... how's that been working for us?

So all of your experience is hearsay.

Not even remotely close to all of it is hearsay. There are reasons that I don't name names of people I know or the roles I've played in working with law enforcement. I'm sure that some people can understand why that is. What I have heard second-hand I have heard from people and from cops that I do actually trust. There are some... but it's the exception, not the rule.

And.............. I'm spitting out the hook on the rest.
 
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