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carboncat said:
maybe we all need to show a little more respect to them, and the same would be returned.
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That's generally good advice for anyone in society.

However, the police in Ontario have a big problem with nepotism and lack of responsibility for their actions, and little/no oversight of police activities. This has been going on forever, and many, many times innocent people have thrown in jail by corrupt cops involved in criminal activity. With Toronto, this was highlighted with the "Cherry Beach Express", where random people were picked up downtown and shipped out to Cherry beach and beaten.

http://torontoist.com/2012/10/toronto-urban-legends-cherry-beach-express/

I had a very good friend join the TPS after university, and the stress in his job was entirely from the activities of his fellow officers. They also whitewash history well, like no one talks about Cheif McCormack's sons, one of which was running the biggest prostitution ring in Toronto while he was a detective.

and then, the Orlando Bowen story.... two cops beat him so bad they ended his career, planted drugs on him. One cop is on trial for drug dealing, the other got promoted.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...eaten_by_cops_pens_letter_of_forgiveness.html


You cannot trust police in Ontario, and I would not associate with them personally.
 
CafeRay said:
That's generally good advice for anyone in society.

However, the police in Ontario have a big problem with nepotism and lack of responsibility for their actions, and little/no oversight of police activities. This has been going on forever, and many, many times innocent people have thrown in jail by corrupt cops involved in criminal activity. With Toronto, this was highlighted with the "Cherry Beach Express", where random people were picked up downtown and shipped out to Cherry beach and beaten.

http://torontoist.com/2012/10/toronto-urban-legends-cherry-beach-express/
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Valid criticisms there absolutely is not enough accountability or oversight on police in Ontario. For a police force to work it has to be by reputation clean and fair Ontario police has neither. And i am saying that as someone who has only had good interactions with the police and have had in the past a good working relationship with them.
 
carboncat said:
And really, one day you might need those cops that you really don't like.
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I pay them, and if they don't respond, they are rejecting the social contract we have with authority. As I said, law enforcement is necessary - just not in the form we have it. I can tell you that every time I've needed them until now, they've either failed me or left a bad taste in my mouth getting something done. Like the time I charged a man along with two sublet students for many counts of theft, several counts of mail-fraud and many counts of general fraud... and the detective attempted to charge me for two crimes when he came for his interview with us - missing license plate sticker (which I had in the glovebox) and entering the man's sublet room (after he abandoned it and did not pay rent for two months, where I found missing mail and forged cheques). He used the threat of entry charge to bargain me into dropping the mail fraud charges, presumably because it's a lot of work and a serious crime. I don't have the time nor the inclination to list all of my interactions with the police, today, but if you ever have to call the cops, prepare yourself to have to fight to get something done and make sure there's nothing incriminating in your personal makeup, because you're an easier target for career-advancing convictions than the criminal in question. BTW, they ended up convicting that guy for just the fraud... he spent about 60 of 100 days sentence in Napanee jail (commonly referred to as Summer Camp) and I saw him on the street a few months later with what I am sure was a stolen bicycle in his hand.

Valid criticisms there absolutely is not enough accountability or oversight on police in Ontario. For a police force to work it has to be by reputation clean and fair Ontario police has neither. And i am saying that as someone who has only had good interactions with the police and have had in the past a good working relationship with them.
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The more you interact with them, the more you'll see. I always treat a policeman like he's an individual, but I don't trust them until I learn that I can, because of the majority of my knowledge of how they comport themselves in private and also in public. The few that I am friends or friendly with have their own faults that I must overlook (as do I) and they agree with you and I about accountability, because they see far too much from their co-workers that they feel powerless to change. That's the reason, as I have said a few times here, that my friend, that did HR work for the forces, moved out of that role again; by choice - as an example of why, imagine that an officer has been charged with battery and rape; your job is to defuse the situation and keep the cop in his job. The cop, because he's a cop, calls up and threatens the victim, who then calls the chief, who calls you, and your job is STILL to keep the cop working and defuse the situation (get the charges dropped)... where if it was a normal person, everyone involved would be trying to put the guy into jail. And if s/he does her job, do you expect remorse from the cop... no, what you do is teach the guy to become a better criminal and he swaggers out of the disciplinary meeting acting like he's bulletproof, when the charges are dropped. Oh, and while this is being "investigated," he's got himself some paid vacation to enjoy, too.
 
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Carboncat - statute of limitations depends on the charge. 30 days under HTA for Part 1, 6 months for HTA under Part 3, criminal stuff I would have to look up - never tested that one before, possibly depends on the charge - see historical sex assaults as an example of one with no limitation.

Shaman - I wouldn't dismiss an entire group of people based on your encounters with a few. I am not like those you have described, and I think if we met, you would see that. Sadly, I doubt that will happen... partly because of where you list your hometown, and partly because you may see it as some sort of trap. I'm sorry you have had bad interactions with police. I hope that changes for you.

I have similar views on a lot of these arguments. I agree that police require civilian oversight, so did Robert Peel and he was a pretty smart guy. Our current system of SIU/OIPRD is weak, it lacks the teeth for the serious stuff, and blows the minor stuff out of proportion. Ex. I received a complaint for asking someone to scrape the ice of their windshield so they could see while they drive. And yet, we send officers off on paid leave while they are investigated for serious offences. I understand the OACP is trying to change that but it hasn't happened yet.

Maybe one day this will all be changed. If it is, it will definitely be the result of a civilian driven initiative, pushed through the government. I don't see any other way.
 
DECIMIS said:
Posted today:

Durham, York Regional Police and O.P.P. teamed up for Project E.R.A.S.E. to spread the important message about the dangers and consequences of street racing and stunt driving.

As we move into warmer, drier weather, modified vehicles start to appear on our roadways. Project E.R.A.S.E. (Eliminating Racing Activity On Streets Everywhere) started on Friday, June 13 and officers will be targeting drivers who use our roads as race tracks. The DRP helicopter Air1 will be assisting the York Regional helicopter Air2, along with ground officers, to watch for vehicles racing at excessive and dangerous rates of speed.

E.R.A.S.E. is an awareness campaign operated jointly by police services across Ontario in partnership with the Government on Ontario, with the goal of eliminating street racing and other high-risk driving behaviours.

Aggressive driving and street racing are dangerous, unlawful activities that put innocent people at risk of injury or death. The real finish line may be court, fines, jail, vehicle seizure, loss of driving privileges or even worse, the hospital or death.

(http://www.drps.ca/internet_explorer/whatsnew/whatsnew_view.asp?ID=28218)
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Where is the GTFOOTLL awareness campaign?

..and LOL at "other means"

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Bike Cop said:
Shaman - I wouldn't dismiss an entire group of people based on your encounters with a few.
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It's not been a few. It's been many. Apparently you haven't read much of what I said.

I am not like those you have described, and I think if we met, you would see that.
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I've made it clear that I wouldn't see that until it was proven to me. I don't trust cops. My experiences and the experiences of people I trust tell me so, some of who are or were cops themselves. Even if a cop does befriend you, if you anger him/her, things can go very wrong... so you can never really trust them. That's the way things are, and it's the cops that are to blame, make no mistake.

My lawyer's got strong feelings on it too but as he can't seem to get elected as a MP after years of trying, he's as frustrated as anyone. Thanks again for being you, Hudak.

I hope that changes for you.
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Me too, but it won't until we stop treating them like spotless heroes and introduce real accountability. There won't be good cops until there are no more bad cops. I have not even scratched the surface of my long experience with the police in many roles, including co-operation. FWIW because it needs to be said, I have no criminal record and am for law enforcement - although I do have a big problem with some of the laws, that's another conversation.
 
Shaman said:
You think wrong. Funny thing, after I posted that up and was at my gig downtown at the Portsmouth Tavern, I was sitting at a table with two paramedics. They were there because they'd been invited to a party to which they didn't wish to attend, as it was mostly police (they work with them frequently, including some training). To quote the female medic: "the cops are one short step away from criminals and when they get drinking, I don't want to be anywhere near them," and started to tell me about how she'd been groped and propositioned by married cops who don't even care that her boyfriend was in the room with them, because "what's he going to do" when he's in a room full of aggressive dickheads with do-whatever-I-want badges? Oh, and then she told me that they'll "all drive home drunk like they always do." He agreed with everything she said and his only stated opinion was "it's a sh|t show every time."

Yeah, you're 99% out of your mind if you think cops are decent people. But I'm sure you know better than the people that work with them and have spent a lot of time in their general presence, amirite?
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Excellent opportunity to block off the parking lot exit with bikes and call 911 and report mass drunk driving. Keep cameras on them to make sure their badges don't get them a pass.


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MLadin said:
Excellent opportunity to block off the parking lot exit with bikes and call 911 and report mass drunk driving. Keep cameras on them to make sure their badges don't get them a pass.


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Do it up man!
 
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