:| because historically public transit vehicles Were exempt from requiring pollution control equipment that was being forced on all of our personal vehicles. How did I first notice? ... by sitting behind a TTC bus when it was taking off and having to wait for the fumes to dissipate, so I researched it and that Was my finding.Where did you come up with that piece of misinformation?
Depended on the code your car set. My last car was setting the evap code regularly (typically set when you don't tighten the gas cap).It was became infinitely harder to fake the test when they moved to the OBD test.
The OBD2 test will pass if there are no error codes stored, and will allow for one monitor to be in a not ready state. The evap monitor, in most cars, is the last one to set. You had your car tested with a not ready evap monitor which allowed it to pass.Depended on the code your car set. My last car was setting the evap code regularly (typically set when you don't tighten the gas cap).
I reset it waited just long enough for it to be cleared from the ECM and got my e-test passed.
Light came right back on a day or two later.
Well as a licensed Truck and Coach Technician I can tell you that public transit vehicles are not exempt from emissions requirements or equipment.:| because historically public transit vehicles Were exempt from requiring pollution control equipment that was being forced on all of our personal vehicles. How did I first notice? ... by sitting behind a TTC bus when it was taking off and having to wait for the fumes to dissipate, so I researched it and that Was my finding.
Particulate matter although highly visible is really the most minor of all the emission concerns. NOx is what is being cracked down on. They do this by lowering cylinder temperature during ignition, but the lower temp means more PM.Whatever pollution controls municipal vehicles may have, I see TTC buses belch soot on the regular. Same goes for schoolbuses and garbage trucks (public+private). Delivery trucks vary, some seem quite controlled. I remember the terrible smog not too long ago, especially when Lakeview spooled up. You could smell the sulfur and see a yellowish haze, with a brown line along the horizon.
Cars are more sophisticated now and can't be fixed with a monkey wrench and a can of STP. Back in the 50's and 60's a lot of rust buckets were kept on the road while burning a quart of oil in a hundred miles. Mosquito control.A) I’ve never been a fan of the drive clean program. I don’t think it serves any purpose anymore now that most cars and vehicles on the road are newer (fuel injected, high tech, etc)
B) I doubt that cost of the validation sticker will go down when it no longer includes the etest.
I guess this is one of the “efficiencies” Ford was talking about.
How many etests are done annually in Ontario that are “free”? A few million maybe? At $30 each...
Here's my question - with the test and associated costs gone, will we see a drop in our plate sticker costs?I thought the cost was buried in your sticker now? Even if we didn't have to pay the $30 up front anymore, there was a cost to the program that taxpayers were ultimately footing the bill for.
This is in good part because of the fact it was common knowledge that a check engine light on a car wouldn't pass. Back when people had to pay for the test people would get things fixed before bothering to spend $30 on the test only to get a virtually guaranteed fail.Apparently the failure rate in recent years was only 5%.
Fair argument to some extent, but the idea of the program was to help control pollution (and the resulting haze and smog days we all remember) in big cities where there's as many vehicles in a 10 square kilometer area as there might be in a 1000 square kilometer area to the north. The logic made sense.About friggin' time someone eliminated this program. It was never a Province-wide program so there were still a huge number of light duty vehicles that never got tested.
Older vehicles needed the tailpipe test as OBD was too rudimentary (up until the last 10-15 years) to provide all the details needed to provide solid data on which to make a pass/fail requirement. Now, with modern ECM's measuring virtually every metric it was no longer needed.The change from the original test that actually measured tail pipe emissions made no sense to me. I had a perfectly good '04 Mazda3 that easily passed the original test, but failed the OBD test due to a check engine light. That same sensor fault was active the last time it passed the original test, so I'm not sure what benefit the newer OBD test could provide regarding emissions.
Modern class 7/8 trucks built in the last 6-10 years (since the introduction of both DPF and DEF) should emit ZERO black smoke. The tractors I drive every day at work have exhaust stacks that are still silver inside even after a year (and 100,000+KM) of operation. If a modern HD truck is emitting black smoke there's massive emissions issue with it...which will eventually cause the truck to go into a limp mode...and if they bypass it and continue driving, it will eventually destroy some very expensive emissions equipment which will be a failure at test time.Whatever pollution controls municipal vehicles may have, I see TTC buses belch soot on the regular. Same goes for schoolbuses and garbage trucks (public+private). Delivery trucks vary, some seem quite controlled.
Supposedly those TTC buses (GM New Look?) have all been taken out of service due to accessibility shortcomings. It's weird to know that now though... the sound of that motor sang me to sleep (or at least to a state of calm) many a timeWell as a licensed Truck and Coach Technician I can tell you that public transit vehicles are not exempt from emissions requirements or equipment.
They don't have the same requirements as regular on highway applications, but they are not exempt. Fire apparatus have the loosest standards.
That TTC bus belching smoke was more than likely one of the old 60's GM buses with a 2 stroke 6v71 Detroit in it. They still have a bunch of those on the road. They have no emissions equipment.