Oh ya...I forgot where I was posting. No opinions allowed
PS Thanks for the backing Grandpa Bambu
New rider with many question
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Oh ya...I forgot where I was posting. No opinions allowed
PS Thanks for the backing Grandpa Bambu
Oh ya...I forgot where I was posting. No opinions allowed
PS Thanks for the backing Grandpa Bambu
How to start an argument on line.
State an opinion.
Wait.
brucewayne
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i think road experience is important. car has a safety cage so its better to learn in. the more people you're around is the more danger there is.
Ya no kidding...every time on GTA. A lot of keyboard warriors
Fine way to learn to drive a car. Marginal if not negative for a motorcycle.
Most kids that are attracted to motorcycles are already used to riding in traffic on bicycles and a a scooter or motorcycle is a natural progression of those learning skills. It's one reason I think getting a kid started riding dirt before they can legally drive is a superb grounding....they learn to fall, learn to handle odd surfaces and the learn to "ride" the bike.
There is a huge difference between riding and driving.
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brucewayne
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i think its about your environment. whats the bigger threat? people or road conditions? to me, as a city rider, its people. learning how the traffic flows is the biggest thing. road awareness take priority over technique. for me its, a mental chess match not an athletic competition. if your environment has no traffic, then its not a threat.
I don't think you read right.. the OP is not an Adult, he is 16, also did your kid start on a dirt bike in the middle of the 401 or DVP ????
As I suggested if he was in rural areas Yes great get dirt bike and ride the crap out of it, Your son started riding dirt bikes in the dirt and country areas which is the way to go not jumping on the 401 or DVP with Scooter or Dirt bike.
Uber Parent types???... dude the OP is 16 not 26
I'm certain you did not put your son on a dirt bike at 13 in the middle of Toronto traffic my friend.
Clap... Clap... Clap... Clap...
Yup, you still need to know how to 'ride' a bike, which one can learn fairly quikly... However, learning the 'ropes' of the road, applies to both cages and bikes... A new driver would be better off learning those 'ropes' in a cage...
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Wise words there Doc....
For example... This past summer, during a rain storm, I was heading back home with the Multistrada from the Ducati dealer on the QEW Eastbound. I exited at Hurontario (Hwy 10). Just as I was entering the ramp in the left lane, a cager, who was in the right lane and came up from behind, decided to change lanes... As he cut me off, I started to move towards the shoulder (with my horn blaring). You would think that the driver would move back into the originating lane. Nope! He kept on coming at me... my horn still wailing! I slowed enough that I could now get back into the lane behind this guy... All of a sudden he brake checked me... WTF??? Is this guy crazy? Good thing the '15 Multistrada doesn't go down in the wet very easily... On a lesser machine, I may have gone for a slide. The bike stayed up-right thankfully! I was Livid by this point... I get in the right-hand lane and pull up beside the vehicle. We are now both stopped just before the intersection. I flip him the Bird... He shows me a camera and he is pointing at it... WTF? Is he saying 'I' did something wrong??? 'He' is the one who just tried to kill 'me'. That Low-Life is lucky that I don't particularly enjoy the thought of spending the rest of my days in jail...
In that situation, a novice 16 y/o motorcyclist may not have faired as well. They may have panicked and gone down with serious injuries or a fatality.
IMHO, 16 years old is just too young and inexperienced at contending with other vehicles and the Psychos that drive them, while on a motorcycle. This is why I feel that a new driver should have at least 2-5 years experience driving a cage before attempting to battle the Insanity on two wheels. It may just save a life!
It would be a good MTO prerequisite to have a few years of cage driving, prior to obtaining a Class M.
Just my .02
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-Maverick-
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Surprised kids aren't riding without insurance. The insurance companies are forcing them into that box.
JollyGreenGiant
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goddamn cagers, just out of curiosity, does anyone here believe in karma?
Oh ya...I forgot where I was posting. No opinions allowed
Ya got that right.
My (gasp!) opinion?
Start in a cage.
A good part of surviving on a motorcycle is learning to anticipate what other drivers are going to do, be it just normal driving (which face it, a new driver doesn't know much about) or stupid driving which is harder to anticipate and much more difficult to deal with. In a cage you have a lot less to worry about if you make a mistake, or more importantly, when others do. Just mashing the brake pedal will get you out of 75% of situations, and steering (even sloppily) around things will get you past the other 24%. If you ever meet that 1% you have a cage to protect you.
Spending at least 6 months of regular driving in a cage teaches you a lot about what others do on the road on 4 wheels. That experience and knowledge is important part of surviving on 2.
This is good advice. Maybe we should look at something like parts of the EU where you can only ride a certain level/HP of bike and then proceed from there. Maybe raise the M1 threshold to 18 years old?
At the very least there is a lot of good advice in this thread and it is refreshing to see such a young man looking to start on something sane instead of a 600 SS. The advice to use a 50cc scooter for a season or so is a great idea. Then move onto a 250/300 cc bike.
Macdoc has the best overall input here IMHO. All these nanny types freak me out. I don't have an issue with differing opinions, but for the love of God, have you still not realized that you cannot learn a ****ing thing until you try? I liked how my Dad rolled with things; driving a boat alone at 8 years old, barely had my G license when I went on my own to get a bike, license, etc. Never even had a friend or family member that rode at the time, just started with a manageable machine and hit a muddy trail first until I was ready for the road. That yamaha BW50 would be phenomenal in a city setting, and by far the most useful tool to get the OP's feet wet in traffic. Wait up to 5 years before riding, lol. What a steaming crock of ****. Courses, dirt track, and manageable bikes!!!!! And BTW, I'm pushing 26 years on two wheels, so spare me the dramatic predictions
Steaming crock of ****???
Maybe you should attend a few funerals of novice motorcycle riders... See the anguish in the eyes of the parents of the deceased child.... Not a pretty sight my friend.
I wonder what those parents would say about more stringent rules for qualifying for a licence to ride a motorcycle??? You step up to them and tell them that it is a 'Steaming crock of ****'. G'head, I dare ya.... :thumbleft:
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Yup... there are some Intelligent people on this board... :headbang:
There are risks in everything we do...get over it....it's not your choice or life. I'd suggest those parents would say the rider was doing what they loved.
Indeed there should be a better set of learner rules for the mcycle choices available ala Europe or Australia with a secondary test for moving to an open licence.
We're not talking about a rider with no experience going for an RR.
Your approach is paternal and unwarranted....and fear mongering.
What counts in riding is experience off pavement and on and the longer the better....cars don't count.
