We have the technology to have variable speed limits, tailored to conditions. The method of posting already exists on 400 series highways, in the GTA.
Maybe there would be less motorcycle deaths if the our speed limits were reasonable
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We have the technology to have variable speed limits, tailored to conditions. The method of posting already exists on 400 series highways, in the GTA.
...I don't think it's the speed limits that kill people. Don't get me wrong, I love going fast for no reason but I recognized why it may be dangerous (especially if you are going straight against a down hill left hand turning car), but I think the issue is people not paying attention. Most of my near accidents have been due to lack of attention with other drivers..AND CELL PHONES.
Every vehicle is different too though, a sports car with ceramic brakes can stop a lot quicker than a minivan. Someone in a 4 wheel drive pickup with wrangler winter tires on it, can travel a lot quicker in a white-out safely than a guy in a civic with nearly bald 8 year old summer tires.
We could start having driving privileges revoked
, and stop handing out new ones like candy too.mlc - It's a revenue stream. It's not going away.
On a sperate note, why not bring the HTA-172 limit to 20 over. That way no one will cross 120. As far as everyone regularly driving/riding 20-30 over the limit as being comfortable, the province would see no need to raise the speed limit. My dad's gotten pulled over for doing 10 over. And no it wasn't reduced. It was a speed trap and everyone got nailed.
On a sperate note, why not bring the HTA-172 limit to 20 over. That way no one will cross 120. As far as everyone regularly driving/riding 20-30 over the limit as being comfortable, the province would see no need to raise the speed limit. My dad's gotten pulled over for doing 10 over. And no it wasn't reduced. It was a speed trap and everyone got nailed.
Lowest common denominator.
It took a few years, but now the author of HTA172 himself posting on GTAM. Man, you are something else. I am speechless. You forgot one .... butt off the seat when going over the train tracks.
Makes me sick ....
It absolutely doesn't ..... It's non-sense to have low speed limit and have an unwritten law that 120 will not yield you a ticket, but at the same time the magical 50 over is measured from the low speed limit which is wrong in the first place.
If a driver cannot determine that driving conditions are not suitable to travel at the posted speed limit, they should NOT be on the road. Period.
When you really think about that, you realize that it is truly ridiculous to set limits that way.
There are times when driving at 10kph is too fast.. glare ice, extreme heavy squalls, pea-soup fog where you can't see the handlebars are examples. Limits simply cannot be set to those extremes lowest common denominators or we would never drive at all.
The accepted way to set speeds has been to set them based on 85th or 90th percentile method. This meant that speeds were set based on the speed that 85 out of 100 or 90 out of 100 (on limited access highways) drove at, rounded up to the next even number (in miles per hour usually the next multiple of 5 mph). The concept, proven by engineering studies for over 50 years now, resulted in speeds that were realistic and safe for a given stretch of road as most drivers would drive at safe and reasonable speeds.
The whole concept was set aside during the "fuel crisis" where governments thought that lowering speed would make a dramatic difference in overall fuel consumption. Lawmakers took note that overall fatalities dropped while the speeds were down and then decided to continue the low limits justifying it using the reduced fatalities. The governments overlooked that the road miles driven were also dramatically reduced and fatalities per mile didn't change in a statistically meaningful way but instead followed the same trend of gradual reduction that started about 80 years ago.
The vast majority of people will drive at speeds they feel are safe and reasonable given the conditions, and artificially low limits does little other than to cause disrespect for the laws and those that enforce those laws. Make speed limits realistic and most people will pay attention to what speeds are appropriate, and drive accordingly.
..Tom
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Well said. ^
