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2: Bicycles are entitled to as much space as needed, up to and including a full lane..

uh, no. Slower traffic gives way to faster traffic. That's a law. Go try your G1 again. Don't mix entitlement with allowance. Entitled to a full lane = allowed to obstruct traffic.

Where's that bro do you even meme when I need it?
 
uh, no. Slower traffic gives way to faster traffic. That's a law. Go try your G1 again. Don't mix entitlement with allowance. Entitled to a full lane = allowed to obstruct traffic.

Where's that bro do you even meme when I need it?

If the right side of the lane is unsafe, you can take a full lane, and that's up to the rider to decide. In Hamilton I'd hazard to say the right side of the right lane is *never* safe.
 
**** for a bunch of motorcyclists, you'd think that everyone on this forum would realize that the widest part of a scooter, E-bike AND a bicycle is the handle bars

STOP saying that the damn scooter e-bike's are "wider"... THEY'RE NOT! The body of the machines might be, but the handle bars are by far the widest part (incl. mirrors) and (since bicycles vary greatly) they can be the same width as a commuter bicycle with a street-side bar-end mirror.
 
1: you're right, I'm fully in support of a stricter hammer on cyclists.

It's about time that cyclists were actively pursued for illegally riding on sidewalks. EVERY time that I walk along Gerrard, which has a bicycle lane, I'm passed by at least one bicyclist who is riding a full sized bike on the sidewalk.

2: Bicycles are entitled to as much space as needed, up to and including a full lane. If the right side of the lane is unsafe, they can ride further out. They really aren't any wider than a large rider on a bicycle.

This isn't quite true. A cyclist is entitled to the use the entire lane, in order to avoid obstacles and the like, but he is REQUIRED BY LAW to give way for faster moving traffic. Last week I had to travel at 20 Kmh slower than the speed limit, because of a cyclist on Yonge Street who was riding down the centre line of the southbound lanes (alternating which lane he was actually in randomly), when there was absolutely no traffic in front of or beside him. This sort of activity is patently unlawful.


3: They can be made to go faster only with modification which is already illegal. a 300-400 pound package at 32km/h has about the same or less potential energy as a 200 pound package going 50km/h on a road bike. There are people that do this, do they need insurance? But what I really wonder is what insurance you propose. 200k liability plus the insane accident benefits would be so completely inappropriate for such a situation. Damage goes up exponentially with speed. a 50 km/h accident could likely cause many thousands of damage, where 30km/h would likely cause less than half that.

Significant damage, even death, could be the result of hitting a pedestrian. Given that I frequently see ebikers cutting through the pedestrian mall on Gould Street, at speed, it's only a matter of time.
 
With E-scooter pedals out they are wider than the bars, why don't they fold them in like they are designed to be. Or does that take some thinking that E-scooter riders just can't do as there DUI brain cells are not working.
 
**** for a bunch of motorcyclists, you'd think that everyone on this forum would realize that the widest part of a scooter, E-bike AND a bicycle is the handle bars

STOP saying that the damn scooter e-bike's are "wider"... THEY'RE NOT! The body of the machines might be, but the handle bars are by far the widest part (incl. mirrors) and (since bicycles vary greatly) they can be the same width as a commuter bicycle with a street-side bar-end mirror.

Smart posts get ignored lol.

However, you have to admit, if a 300 pound fat *** jumps onto an e-bike/bicycle/scooter, you bet their fat rolls will be wider than the handlebars.
 
I really don't have a problem with a lot of the riders. It's always just a few that kill it for everyone else. I don't know the solution, but increasing rider education is a start. Maybe needing a g1 and limited speed license after that.

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**** for a bunch of motorcyclists, you'd think that everyone on this forum would realize that the widest part of a scooter, E-bike AND a bicycle is the handle bars

STOP saying that the damn scooter e-bike's are "wider"... THEY'RE NOT! The body of the machines might be, but the handle bars are by far the widest part (incl. mirrors) and (since bicycles vary greatly) they can be the same width as a commuter bicycle with a street-side bar-end mirror.

Dude, have you even seen a scooter ebike? Not only are their bodies wider than a bicycles handle bars, the bicycle pedals that they are required to have by law stick out even further, making them significantly wider than a bicycle and wider than a regular scooter. I hagent seen any scooter ebikes with side mirrors.

The issue of penalties for retarded riders is a moot point unless they and or their ebike is licenced.
 
Dude, have you even seen a scooter ebike? Not only are their bodies wider than a bicycles handle bars, the bicycle pedals that they are required to have by law stick out even further, making them significantly wider than a bicycle and wider than a regular scooter. I hagent seen any scooter ebikes with side mirrors.

The issue of penalties for retarded riders is a moot point unless they and or their ebike is licenced.

I would go even further and say that the issue of penalties is pointless, unless the law is enforced. Given that current laws pertaining to cyclists aren't enforced, I have little faith that laws with respect to ebikes would be enforced.

For example I have seen MANY cyclists ride through the Yonge and Dundas pedestrian scramble, when it is patently illegal to do so, right in front of police. In fact I've only seen one cyclists stop, dismount, and walk through in the entire time that the scramble has existed.
 
you could bolt a honda z 50 or CT70 motor into a moped, play with the gearing and top out at nearly 80km. Wont be long till some college electrical students amp up an ebike and get 80kmph, longer battery life and rocket acceleration. With no licensing, ins, plates, these things will turn into a menace.

At least you heard people coming on a moped, ebikes are silent on bike paths and the idiots like to go full tilt.
 
Significant damage, even death, could be the result of hitting a pedestrian. Given that I frequently see ebikers cutting through the pedestrian mall on Gould Street, at speed, it's only a matter of time.

This is an issue with the riders, and I would agree that some education about the laws (and enforcement of those laws!) is necessary.

With E-scooter pedals out they are wider than the bars, why don't they fold them in like they are designed to be. Or does that take some thinking that E-scooter riders just can't do as there DUI brain cells are not working.

I have one, and when folded out they're about the same width as the handlebars, if not a little narrower.

Dude, have you even seen a scooter ebike? Not only are their bodies wider than a bicycles handle bars, the bicycle pedals that they are required to have by law stick out even further, making them significantly wider than a bicycle and wider than a regular scooter. I hagent seen any scooter ebikes with side mirrors.

The issue of penalties for retarded riders is a moot point unless they and or their ebike is licenced.

The handlebars are absolutely wider than the body. I own one, and I assure you the handlebars are a solid few inches out on either side. The pedals are about a wide folded out. Every ebike I've ever seen has mirrors from the factory. Dangerous driving should be prosecuted, and the fact that it isn't shouldn't reflect on the ebike community, but the poor law enforcement.

you could bolt a honda z 50 or CT70 motor into a moped, play with the gearing and top out at nearly 80km. Wont be long till some college electrical students amp up an ebike and get 80kmph, longer battery life and rocket acceleration. With no licensing, ins, plates, these things will turn into a menace.

At least you heard people coming on a moped, ebikes are silent on bike paths and the idiots like to go full tilt.

Yes, and this is done (Delta-Wye mods are possible, and a few enthusiasts have done this) however it is, as you'd expect, highly illegal. You will get caught with a mod like this, and that's a matter for better law enforcement.

The fact that people aren't obeying the laws doesn't mean they need to be banned, that's dodging the real issue: A ****** police force.
 
you could bolt a honda z 50 or CT70 motor into a moped, play with the gearing and top out at nearly 80km. Wont be long till some college electrical students amp up an ebike and get 80kmph, longer battery life and rocket acceleration. With no licensing, ins, plates, these things will turn into a menace.

At least you heard people coming on a moped, ebikes are silent on bike paths and the idiots like to go full tilt.

I've seen several ebikes with car batteries bungied to the floorboards.
 
I have one, and when folded out they're about the same width as the handlebars, if not a little narrower.

The handlebars are absolutely wider than the body. I own one, and I assure you the handlebars are a solid few inches out on either side. The pedals are about a wide folded out. Every ebike I've ever seen has mirrors from the factory. Dangerous driving should be prosecuted, and the fact that it isn't shouldn't reflect on the ebike community, but the poor law enforcement.

show me your scooter e-bike
 
Ok so all the arguing about e bikes and their speed. So I'm at the dealer waiting to pick up my new gsxr on monday that I have to pay insurance to ride because it's a vehicle with a power source other than me and some pedals. So we're outside as my sales guy brings my bike out and all of us happen to look at the road and watch this idiot on an e bike that was going with the flow of traffic (50 zone and no one does 50). It sure as hell wasn't 30km/h or whatever they're supposedly capped at. So either they can be modded or what? He had two motors? Either way, why is this allowed? On one hand you have them flying around without insurance etc and on the other you have them taking up lane space and slowing everyone around them down causing more road rage. Can't imagine why some people dislike them :rolleyes:
 
Ok so all the arguing about e bikes and their speed. So I'm at the dealer waiting to pick up my new gsxr on monday that I have to pay insurance to ride because it's a vehicle with a power source other than me and some pedals. So we're outside as my sales guy brings my bike out and all of us happen to look at the road and watch this idiot on an e bike that was going with the flow of traffic (50 zone and no one does 50). It sure as hell wasn't 30km/h or whatever they're supposedly capped at. So either they can be modded or what? He had two motors? Either way, why is this allowed? On one hand you have them flying around without insurance etc and on the other you have them taking up lane space and slowing everyone around them down causing more road rage. Can't imagine why some people dislike them :rolleyes:

He must have been on a scooter, not ebike. Or it was illegally modded.
 
It looked like a daymak with all the decals removed. Kind of scooter style I guess but they're still supposedly limited to 32 km/h.
 
It looked like a daymak with all the decals removed. Kind of scooter style I guess but they're still supposedly limited to 32 km/h.

Judging by the way everybody was driving today, the person could have been going with the flow of traffic lol

And a few years ago, I had a conversation with a customer that had an e-bike. Apparently, the mod to make them go faster is very simple. Not sure about the full details, but he made it seem like all there was to do was take out some kind of resistor.

Either way, the vast majority of them around my area need to dissapear or something. I see them all the time walking through cars stopped at red lights just after they managed to pass them, riding on sidewalks ALL the time and forcing pedestrians off the pathway, running through red lights and stop signs, etc etc... Not too many around here that actually obey the rules of the road, and no police to pull them over. What will most of them they pay their tickets with anyways? Empties and cigarette butts? Sounds rude, but you'd know what I mean if you saw them.

Now if and when they are used properly, they aren't too bad. I vote for licensing (at least), just to clean up the type and amount of people that own these things. And to at least educate some of them on the actual rules of the road.

And lastly, funny story. I was riding home from work one day when I passed an e-bike. The driver was a big bad stereotypical Harley type of guy with a burly beard, long pony tail and lots of tats, and so was his 2-up...
 
It looked like a daymak with all the decals removed. Kind of scooter style I guess but they're still supposedly limited to 32 km/h.

Yeah, it's certainly possible to make them go faster, but if you're caught, you get the book thrown at you: unlicensed, unregistered motorcycle, no insurance, illegal modifications to an ebike, etc. Again, the issue is lack of enforcement, which is not a responsibility of the people. Can you imagine an increase in hit and runs, the solution wouldn't be to ban cars, but to have better enforcement (and yes, perhaps licensing). It doesn't change the fact that insurance on them is impractical and an utter waste, at least at the required levels for cars and motorcycles.

Shall we ban private businesses because some might sell illegal things? What about home-ownership because some run illegal home businesses out of them? No, you allow regular people to do those things, and punish those who don't follow the law, that's how society works.

We have police for a reason: so we law-abiding citizens can enjoy freedoms, while those that try to take advantage of things can be dealt with.
 
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