tonster1980
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Any suggestions? I am coming from a Honda cbr600 f4i and want to upgrade.. Just not sure which bike is best for me.. Any intake will help me out.. thx
honda 954/929 over the gsxr750???
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zacm7
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The 954 is one of those bikes that will always look sharp, its really a nice bike...Reliable, powerful, responsive. The only Negative I ever encountered with the 954 is the throttle seemed very twitchy. The 750 have always been nice bikes but which gen are you looking for?
muay_thai_dan
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id take the 954!!! (if you can afford the slight price difference). its an iconic 900 fireblade in my opinion.
The 954 was awesome - still is - I experienced the same twitchy throttle - however it was an easy fix with a PC3 - not sure what year you are looking for to compare the 750
but if it is in the same ballpark year I would go for the 954.
Why the upgrade ? what year 600 are you moving from ?
but if it is in the same ballpark year I would go for the 954.
Why the upgrade ? what year 600 are you moving from ?
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Talk to your insurance agent. Also, impossible to answer without knowing which GSXR750 model.
As for twitchy or snatchy throttles, this affects most early fuel injected bikes, and even many new bikes. Re-mapping doesn't always fix this properly, the fix is dual throttle valves, the GSXRs were among the first to do this, and Kawasaki does this on most engines now. On the track, its not an issue, but riding in traffic sucks with snatchy throttles.
The twitchy throttle is the result of Honda trying to pass emission standards, and they therefore cannot just re-map the ECU, so we have to play this game of buying a new bike and immediately fixing it.
As for twitchy or snatchy throttles, this affects most early fuel injected bikes, and even many new bikes. Re-mapping doesn't always fix this properly, the fix is dual throttle valves, the GSXRs were among the first to do this, and Kawasaki does this on most engines now. On the track, its not an issue, but riding in traffic sucks with snatchy throttles.
The twitchy throttle is the result of Honda trying to pass emission standards, and they therefore cannot just re-map the ECU, so we have to play this game of buying a new bike and immediately fixing it.
or change the trottle tube, simple fix
That will not fix anything except a stuck throttle. The hesitation and poor throttle response is from the air flow and placement of the injectors, and the mapping.
"omnivore" on this forum has a CBR929 bike as his endurance race bike. I've done a stint on it at Grand Bend, and aside from having aftermarket rearset footpegs that were set for his stature rather than mine (!) I thought it was fine. Didn't have any issue with throttle snatchiness.
(I'm a good foot taller than omnivore, and the footpeg position that works for him had my legs folded up so far underneath that I was practically sitting on my calves rather than the seat, and couldn't move on the bike! A 2" thick piece of foam on the seat got it so that I could stay on the bike for more than three laps, and turned it into a wheelie monster ...)
(I'm a good foot taller than omnivore, and the footpeg position that works for him had my legs folded up so far underneath that I was practically sitting on my calves rather than the seat, and couldn't move on the bike! A 2" thick piece of foam on the seat got it so that I could stay on the bike for more than three laps, and turned it into a wheelie monster ...)
JFD
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Loved my 929. There was a bit of a deadspot in the acceleration which i think the guys above are allluding to. Great overall bike. Looks decent, has good power, is very comfy and i like to think it's forgiving on it's power delivery....
I had a charging issue where i replaced the stator and rectifier but it's a pretty common thing for hondas in any case.
I'd vote for the 54 since it's better looking and slightly increased in power.
I had a charging issue where i replaced the stator and rectifier but it's a pretty common thing for hondas in any case.
I'd vote for the 54 since it's better looking and slightly increased in power.
There is one little engineering feature on both the 929 and 954 to be aware of ... it's not really a problem for day-to-day use, but it's just one of those things that if you ever have to deal with it, you may end up cursing whoever designed this bike. The swingarm pivots on the back of the crankcases instead of on the frame.
Day-to-day use ... Makes no difference. Ultimate handling limits on the racetrack (beyond anything I can dish out), perhaps the extra mechanical connections in the load path might add some extra flexibility in the chassis. So be it. But if you ever have to remove the engine from the bike, the whole thing has to come apart. Swingarm has to come out which means the rear suspension has to come apart. Aside from adding some extra work, it also means you can't remove the engine with the bike on a paddock stand ... the bike has to be supported by some other way since the suspension has to come apart. On a street bike, or even on a track-day bike, one would hope that engine swaps aren't a day-to-day occurrence. But "never" is a mighty long time ... I've had to do the odd last-minute engine swap and I've sure seen others do it at the track now and again.
Obviously, since Honda doesn't do it that way any more, they realized that this wasn't such a good idea.
Day-to-day use ... Makes no difference. Ultimate handling limits on the racetrack (beyond anything I can dish out), perhaps the extra mechanical connections in the load path might add some extra flexibility in the chassis. So be it. But if you ever have to remove the engine from the bike, the whole thing has to come apart. Swingarm has to come out which means the rear suspension has to come apart. Aside from adding some extra work, it also means you can't remove the engine with the bike on a paddock stand ... the bike has to be supported by some other way since the suspension has to come apart. On a street bike, or even on a track-day bike, one would hope that engine swaps aren't a day-to-day occurrence. But "never" is a mighty long time ... I've had to do the odd last-minute engine swap and I've sure seen others do it at the track now and again.
Obviously, since Honda doesn't do it that way any more, they realized that this wasn't such a good idea.
I really love racing my 929. Far more than the Yamaha racebikes I have had. Way more comfy, forgiving, easy to ride. The fuel injection is absolutely flawless...smooth and linear from bottom to top. No weird vibes...intuitive seating position that isn't too racy, but racy enough...I have raced it for almost 2 hrs straight in 100% comfort. I like that I feel like I am sitting in it, rather than on top of a high heeled shoe like riding an R6 or Triumph 675. That's just a preference thing though. Honda did it right with the 929's PGM Fi from the get go. The 954 is a little more of everything-except the tailsection looks like the bike got rear ended....the angle it tilts up at just doesn't fit the lines of the rest of the bike.....and the 929 has a very large trunk space under the passenger seat, if you are street riding it, that's a nice feature. If I were to buy a sportbike for the street ever again, the 929 would be on my short list. The GSXR 750 makes as much hp, but way less torque.....I would always rather have grunt than 12,000 rpm power. The 929 has lots of ground clearance except for the pegs....even with aftermarket ones that are 1" higher and 1" rearward from stock, the pegs still just barely nick the track every once in a while. The brakes are not as good as the rest of the bike, and as Brian pointed out, the swingarm is odd, as is the frame design.....but it works very very well. And nice ones can be bought for less than $4000
tonster1980
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Thanks guys. I am coming from a 01 f4I with some work that was done to it.. I low sided last summer, kinda sucked but I couldn't do anything about it. And yes before you all ask I have been riding 600's for the past 5+ yrs.. So I am experienced with very little chicken strips left. I low sided because I swear I hit some gravel or oil.. first down for me since I started riding.. And for the gsxr its like a 04 model.. the 54 is a 02 and the 929 is a 00.. and yeah insurance check up is key.. I am just looking for something I can toss around and have fun with, as well as a daily rider..
tonster1980
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If whats the case? cause I crashed.. That doesn't matter.. Or because of the bike? I told you it wasn't stock.. I had a PC, exhaust, filter, sprockets. Once again it wasn't stock, and I can ride, I kept up with the new 600's in every aspect, top end they take me more.. So that does not play a factor
What's your price range ...
It might turn out that the 929 is in the same insurance classification as a full 1000, and for that matter, the GSXR750 might be in that situation, too. Depends on the insurance company, so investigate this.
Insurance headaches aside, all litre bikes from the last 10 years are pretty much pointless overkill as street bikes in Ontario and I speak as someone who owns one. Resale value on all of them is pretty low due to low demand (insurance headaches) - not good if you are selling, but better if you are buying.
If you liked your F4i, the 929/954 will feel familiar. It feels like almost the same bike, just more of it. The F4i has its own throttle snatchiness issues (I've ridden one) so whatever snatchiness the 929 has, won't be anything that you aren't already used to.
But if you want something to "toss around and have fun with" that kinda tilts things towards smaller and lighter, not bigger and heavier.
It might turn out that the 929 is in the same insurance classification as a full 1000, and for that matter, the GSXR750 might be in that situation, too. Depends on the insurance company, so investigate this.
Insurance headaches aside, all litre bikes from the last 10 years are pretty much pointless overkill as street bikes in Ontario and I speak as someone who owns one. Resale value on all of them is pretty low due to low demand (insurance headaches) - not good if you are selling, but better if you are buying.
If you liked your F4i, the 929/954 will feel familiar. It feels like almost the same bike, just more of it. The F4i has its own throttle snatchiness issues (I've ridden one) so whatever snatchiness the 929 has, won't be anything that you aren't already used to.
But if you want something to "toss around and have fun with" that kinda tilts things towards smaller and lighter, not bigger and heavier.
kwtoxman
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Interesting comments as I remember the 929 and 954 as some of the most overrated bikes of the day, in the real world. 130 whp. My 01 gsxr 1000 made 153 whp. It demolished those bikes on the street.
I had a friend race the 954 and with the hp deficit it was very much a losing battle. ON racing results showed those honda's just weren't competitive.
Since technology marches on I'd do a newer 750 vs the older 929/954 honda. If older on the 750 then cubes win.
I had a friend race the 954 and with the hp deficit it was very much a losing battle. ON racing results showed those honda's just weren't competitive.
Since technology marches on I'd do a newer 750 vs the older 929/954 honda. If older on the 750 then cubes win.
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muay_thai_dan
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if the 01 gsxr1000 was on the list, id deff take that over the other bikes mentioned. That is my favorite gsxr1000. its pure oldschool beast and badass! they are hard to find though. i dont see too many 01-ish gsxr1k's on kijiji....
There's little question that the GSXR1000 and R1 of the same era were faster in a straight line because they had more power (which is why they won the magazine comparos and sold more to the street squids). I suspect that if this were the only thing the original poster were looking for, the shopping list would look different.
The question is why are your options only CBR929/954 vs GSXR750, and not GSXR1000? The 750 does have a slight power and torque disadvantage over those CBRs but it's not a night and day difference and the 750 is likely lighter. If you include 01-04 GSXR1000s on your options and BINGO! you've got your answer. It's a better bike than both 929 and 954 and cheaper too (including the 750). There are virtually minimal differences between the GSXR750 an the 1000 of those years, other than the 1000 being up on power. And this is an advantage to own a GSXR from early 2000s, you can find cheap used parts to maintain your bike easy everywhere. 01-05 600, 00-05 750, 01-04 1000 most parts are interchangeable, that's 15 years production worth of parts. You should be able to find an 01-04 GSXR1000 for $3000-3500
