Homicidal Cagers. Why do they get away with it?

TekNinja81

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So over the last year and a half of riding, I've gotten used to the typical idiot cagers, tailgaters, aggressive drivers etc. But what I refuse to accept, is the ones who have a near-homicidal attitude toward us on the road.

A few times I've nearly been run off the road by a cager, and I've let it slide. But tonight I was riding with some good friends of mine, and some stupid ***** in her Civic purposely followed me within less than half a foot, in traffic, and repeatedly floored it toward my back-end when I had nowhere else to go. (2-lane road, traffic to my side and my friends in front of me with traffic ahead of them.)

Most of the time I just let it go as being an aggressive/stupid driver, but when she floored it toward me, she came within what felt like less than an inch of ramming me off the road. I had nowhere to go, unless I lane-split, which would have left my less-experienced friend behind to deal with her instead. The whole time, I could see her laughing in my rear-view mirror (she was THAT close.) Once the traffic to our right moved up a little, she floored it again, nearly clipped my right side, and swerved over to the right lane and started to take off. Next light was red, she turned right through the intersection, U-turned to turn back up the street, and floored it again. The light changed a few seconds later, and I chased her. The whole time she didn't use her signals, made abrupt lane changes/turns, obviously trying to evade me. She actually drove home, and I followed her. I will admit, I did not intend to -- I planned only to get her plate# -- but where she lived was much closer than I'd anticipated.

To put it lightly, I had choice words for her, and I probably woke up the entire neighbourhood. I would have let it go if she hadn't sat there staring at me, with a huge grin on her face. But this piece of **** clearly had no regard for me, my friends, or any other human being on the road around her.

I am tired of our fellow riders -- friends, family -- being hurt or killed because of wastes of existence such as her. Yes, I can and will call the police, but when that most likely leads to nothing being done ("THIS time"), what good does it do when she does it again and actually kills someone?

Cool story bro, I know, but there has to be something better than this. There has to be some way to wake these people up and make them realize we're human beings too. We have families and loved ones too, just like them, so why do we not seem to matter?
 
This is most definitely (and disturbingly) on the rise. Personally, and I don't know why, but my own bike and presence seems to scare the hell out of cagers. I get a lot of cagers that (very nervously) pull over when they see me in their rear view mirror. But the stories I'm hearing are from riders that look very vulnerable (to me).

SS bikes don't seem to be the target of these homicidal cagers, nor are they after the grey beards with straight pipes. They're after vulnerable noobs on wimpy looking bikes. And that's a scary thought as this group is the least likely to know what to do in this situation.

Nothing scares me on a bike, a liter bike, but what would scare me is being on the road with these cagers on a 125 or 250. I can jet past any car in a nano-second. The thought of having to go through three or four gears to pass a car does scare me. I don't know what that says about the whole 600 SS as a first bike debate? The big four are manufacturing these little bikes as starter bikes, but I'll bet they didn't anticipate this problem! Perhaps a non SS like a GS 500 would be a better choice as you'll have the nuts to get yourself out of a bad situation.

There are many pro-active remedies to getting a cager off your tail. I've seen it done, and it scares the **** out of the said cager. Some of my friends carry an extra fork nut on the triple trees. pennies, ball-bearings etc. Only down-side is if they get your plate, you will get the charge. *This method will get any cager off your back, but that's bad advice for this forum as the vast majority of the members here seem to be new riders. So, just take that advice as a piece of history.

Best advice? Be calm, try and get the plate number (even a partial), pull over, call *OPP (that's star OPP) and exaggerate the hell out of the call. "The driver of the car seemed to be pointing something that looked like a gun at me as he tried to run me down..." The key word being "gun." Chances are all existing calls that are being held will be put on hold and this cager will be hunted down by the OPP and dragged out of their car at gun-point and their car searched by a K-9. The cager will get exactly what he/she deserves, and you will remain a victim as your limited vision may have been mistaken, or the crazy (possibly impaired) cager could have tossed the gun?

FWIW, I would only use this method in a severe, clearly "homicidal" attempt on your life as the OP has clearly stated.
 
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You had witnesses? If so you can charge her and make it stick.Have her carted away from the house and jailed,her car is a weapon after all.
Of course there's always the tried and true lay in wait then BEAT DOWN method,always give it a few weeks as it makes it extra terrifying when they recognize you.Hope you told the ***** how stupid she was to show you where she lives.And be sure to thank her for the FYI.Always be polite and wish them a nice day as you leave,now and the next time you meet.
She's either stupid,It wasnt her house or she's thinks she can't be messed with. Always be careful following someone in to THEIR hood.I would be reading that as very sketchy.
 
At a bare minimum you should report this to the police. I'm not saying they will do anything, but they will put something on her driving record that can be viewed if she happens to be pulled over or involved in an incident in the future. They also send off a nasty letter that may shake some sense into her.
 
.....I would have let it go if she hadn't sat there staring at me, with a huge grin on her face......

just curious, but what did she have to say for herself when you confronted her?
 
A situation like this is definitely scary! Had some tailgaters in the past, and was almost pasted at some streetlights by one (swerved, slammed brakes, squealing tires - minivan ended up on a 45 degree angle, with me pulled half way into the intersection to make sure I wasn't hit (saw her coming in the rear view and pulled ahead very quickly against a red - had a quick look to make sure nobody was coming (was a T stop - traffic could come from right only - 1 car was pulling out, so I could only go half way into intersection). Minivan's front bumper was about 2 feet off my knee.

With somebody as aggressive as your situation, I would definitely call the OPP. Sounds like you got the plate number. I'd be tempted to forward the plate to some friends who would also call in the same situation. I'm sure they would pay a personal visit instead of just a letter....
 
This is most definitely (and disturbingly) on the rise. Personally, and I don't know why, but my own bike and presence seems to scare the hell out of cagers. I get a lot of cagers that (very nervously) pull over when they see me in their rear view mirror. But the stories I'm hearing are from riders that look very vulnerable (to me).

SS bikes don't seem to be the target of these homicidal cagers, nor are they after the grey beards with straight pipes. They're after vulnerable noobs on wimpy looking bikes. And that's a scary thought as this group is the least likely to know what to do in this situation.

Nothing scares me on a bike, a liter bike, but what would scare me is being on the road with these cagers on a 125 or 250. I can jet past any car in a nano-second. The thought of having to go through three or four gears to pass a car does scare me. I don't know what that says about the whole 600 SS as a first bike debate? The big four are manufacturing these little bikes as starter bikes, but I'll bet they didn't anticipate this problem! Perhaps a non SS like a GS 500 would be a better choice as you'll have the nuts to get yourself out of a bad situation.

There are many pro-active remedies to getting a cager off your tail. I've seen it done, and it scares the **** out of the said cager. Some of my friends carry an extra fork nut on the triple trees. pennies, ball-bearings etc. Only down-side is if they get your plate, you will get the charge. *This method will get any cager off your back, but that's bad advice for this forum as the vast majority of the members here seem to be new riders. So, just take that advice as a piece of history.

Best advice? Be calm, try and get the plate number (even a partial), pull over, call *OPP (that's star OPP) and exaggerate the hell out of the call. "The driver of the car seemed to be pointing something that looked like a gun at me as he tried to run me down..." The key word being "gun." Chances are all existing calls that are being held will be put on hold and this cager will be hunted down by the OPP and dragged out of their car at gun-point and their car searched by a K-9. The cager will get exactly what he/she deserves, and you will remain a victim as your limited vision may have been mistaken, or the crazy (possibly impaired) cager could have tossed the gun?

FWIW, I would only use this method in a severe, clearly "homicidal" attempt on your life as the OP has clearly stated.

So, in a nutshell, you're advocating:
  • That new riders buy a 600-or-bigger SS to be able to outrun any car, even though "...this group is the least likely to know what to do in this situation.";
  • Assault the offending vehicle with hardware; or
  • Call in a false weapons report to the police.
Personally, I think any of the above will lead to fulfilling your signature.
 
hmmm, i've had a few people try and intimidate me while on my bike, follow close or accelerate and brake continuously...i think some cagers want to pass on the right cuz i'll be in the left tire lane and they think i'm giving them space...it just doesn't register, you just have to be more aware of your surroundings, and some people do that naturally more than others...just a fact of life riding in toronto, and you'll have to practice "calm" when dealing with situations...one thing i will mention about drivers in the GTA, they're tough when they are in their cars, but once they are out of their cage, they are complete poop...
 
To the OP

I completely feel your pain. The same thing happened to me last night on DVP. I was riding my bud was in his car and this d-bag actually gunned it for me.

He swerved into the lane AIMING for me as I was next to him. I dropped back to avoid collision and let him go....swapped lanes to catch up to my bud in his car, and the d-bag switched lanes and swerved into my lane again. I went into the shoulder and passed...he drove so close to the backend of the bike I could see him smirking.

I finally got ahead of my bud in his car and signaled him that there was an issue, the d-bag went around traffic and did the same thing...the minute my bud saw...he went behind the car, turned on his highbeams rode his bumper, as I backed off into a safer position.

Wasn't until the car realized I was with another car that he backed off.

I don't get the hate for bikers, I was on a smaller bike last night, and was riding at speed limit safely, didn't do anything I thought that should provoke that kind of reaction.

PS. I thought about taking down the plate, but was more concerned about avoiding collision and watching the rest of traffic trying to avoid being hit by this d-bag...my buddy was too ****** to even think about getting the plate...I had to make him slow down and back off so HE didn't get into a collision.
 
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You know where she lives now and what she drives. The good side of me says you should report it to police.

If I was angry enough about the situation I'd screw with her life in some way though.
 
2 things...

1) I can't stand when cagers try to purposely lane block on a bike.

2) The more I hear stories like this the more tempted I am to get myself a Go-Pro.
 
Attach your go pro to the back of your bike, record and submit to the police. You should have the evidence and plate number in the footage.
 
This is most definitely (and disturbingly) on the rise. Personally, and I don't know why, but my own bike and presence seems to scare the hell out of cagers. I get a lot of cagers that (very nervously) pull over when they see me in their rear view mirror. But the stories I'm hearing are from riders that look very vulnerable (to me).
+1

no one fux with me on my bike.
 
just curious, but what did she have to say for herself when you confronted her?

Not a hell of a lot. Just like another cager I confronted once before, she wouldn't open the car window/door, and sat inside with that stupid grin on her face, and I assume with the door locked (I wasn't checking since it might have led to an assault charge...) All she did was sit there and continue to grin/laugh until I slammed her window (didn't break, damnit) and walked away, at which point she got out of the car and ran to her house. Told me to go **** myself, and then of course "now I'm calling the police!", and then she just stood there watching us, which seemed odd. We took off, and sure enough a carload of her friends came around the corner as we left. I'm betting she put on the fake tears and cried to them about the evil bikers that tried to kill her or some crap like that...


I don't get the hate for bikers, I was on a smaller bike last night, and was riding at speed limit safely, didn't do anything I thought that should provoke that kind of reaction.

I don't get it either. While I definitely get that some people just have bigger egos than they have brains, and as mentioned am used to the aggressive/stupid ones... the ones that feel they have to race us/try to keep up etc... Even ignoring that, there is just no logic that explains why some actually try to run us off the road, etc. It's as if they think of us all as a gang of convicts that they have to take out, or something.


The more I hear stories like this the more tempted I am to get myself a Go-Pro.

Attach your go pro to the back of your bike, record and submit to the police. You should have the evidence and plate number in the footage.

I absolutely agree with and recommend getting a GoPro/Contour/other helmet/bike-mounted cam. I have a GoPro (daytime) and a ContourHD (night-time) which are generally active whenever I'm riding. Unfortunately I've not had them on me when a few incidents have happened, but last night I did. The annoying part is that neither camera will effectively capture detail at night, especially the GoPro, but the ContourHD was able to (barely) get the plate# from that idiot's car. When I confronted her at her house, it didn't see a damn thing as lighting was poor there... I've heard the Shift camera is better for this, but have yet to try one.

After last night, I'm thinking of picking up another GoPro and mounting it facing behind me on the bike. It's a couple hundred bucks I don't have at the moment, but I'd rather spend a few hundred for the added insurance versus being run off the road by some psycho and not having any evidence...
 
I seriously think you should escalate this particularly as you have witnesses.

It is a very serious crime what she did and should not be let go.
 
Because people who witness things and have a full description, don't get involved?
 
Stolen from the web:
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"Oconee County investigators have seized the car two Bogart teens were driving Monday night when they squabbled with a motorcyclist - a fight that ended when the girls' father allegedly shot and killed the biker.

Authorities are trying to see if damage to the car jibes with the teenage sisters' story that 21-year-old Bryan Joseph "B.J." Mough intentionally slammed into their car and followed them home before he was shot to death on the street near their house.

"We seized the car pursuant to a warrant and are in the process of trying to recreate the cause and manner of any collision between the two vehicles," Oconee County Sheriff Scott Berry said Thursday. "My traffic people are in the process of doing that, and they are consulting with accident-reconstruction specialists."

The sisters, ages 17 and 19, told investigators they called their father as they were driving home from an Athens discount store on Atlanta Highway to say a motorcyclist cut them off and rammed their car. They admitted that they made obscene hand gestures at Mough, officials said.

Their father, Richard "Ricky" Harold Gear, was waiting at the end of his driveway as the teens arrived home. He fired a .40-caliber semiautomatic pistol "two or three times," hitting Mough once in the back as the biker drove by, according to Berry.

Gear, 46, is held without bond on a murder charge.

He doesn't yet have an attorney or a schedule for a preliminary court hearing, according to Berry.

The killing has drawn attention to tiny Bogart, and national television networks have called for interviews, according to Berry.

"Bogart is a quiet, close-knit place, and I can't remember ever having a murder in Bogart, other than a shooting that took place on the Athens-Clarke County side about 15 years ago," Berry said. "This isn't a drug-dealer murder in downtown Athens."

The community of about 1,100 people spans two counties, and downtown Bogart is about a mile west of the Clarke County line.

Motorcyclists from across the state are rallying in Mough's memory and plan a group ride from a service station off Interstate 85 in Duluth to Mough's funeral, which is scheduled for noon Saturday at Carter Funeral Home in Winder. The ride will begin at the BP on Pleasant Hill at I-85 at 10:45 a.m.

Frenzied Internet bloggers have written dozens of theories and scenarios about what happened Monday, many of the postings fueled by the fact that authorities have released few details about what led to the shooting.

Mough and the Gear sisters were at the Target store in Athens at the same time Monday night and left the store about the same time. Berry would not say who left the store first, but Mough did not follow the Gear sisters, he said.

The sheriff also would not discuss what the Gear sisters told their father before the shooting, beyond that they claimed a man was following them and intentionally rammed their car with his motorcycle.

Gear did not act in self-defense, however, according to Berry, who said Mough's motorcycle never touched Gear's property and Gear shot the biker in the back.

Investigators also are taking a new look at a 2-year-old case in which Gear may have fired a gun at a group of teenagers.

Gear called Oconee deputies the night of Feb. 25, 2006, to complain that a car knocked over his mailbox after he chased a group of trespassers from his property. The trespassers were neighborhood teens who were arguing with one of Gear's daughters and her boyfriend, according to one teen's mother.

Deputies found the teens, who admitted they ran over the mailbox, which they said they hit as they were fleeing from the Gear home after someone shot at them, an Oconee sheriff's report states.

Authorities didn't charge anyone because they couldn't prove anyone had fired a gun, according to Berry, who said people involved in the alleged shooting were "less than truthful."

Berry has assigned eight investigators to the murder investigation, and they are tracking down other reports that Gear may have fired a gun."
 
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Damn, shot in the back riding by. For all anyone knows the girls could have been imagining some of it.. if there was contact it could have been unintentional as well.
 
The OP's story is intense! Holy fack man, glad you're okay. I've had some ******* ride me on the highway but I tend to have no problem speeding up and shaking them. I either ride at the front of traffic packs or take up the rear, both spots tend to be safer. If I have no choice but to be stuck in traffic then I go faster than the rest. I have read many times that the safest speed you can be going on a motorcycle is 3-5km/hr faster than traffic. Whenever I have a nut job behind me I let them get as far ahead of me as possible.
 
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