-Maverick-
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5:19 a real bike comes up on him. Is he allowed to ride down the middle of the road like that, or is he supposed to be off to the side?
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E bikes rampaging Toronto streets
- Thread starter Murphy
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-Maverick-
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Guy on a motocross with a full M AND insurance AND an off-road plate can't go down the side of the road to get to a trail. Yet these e-bikes with no license, no plate, no insurance, can.
What is wrong with this picture?
What is wrong with this picture?
disenfrancised Metro cop vs. rural cop
Roadghost
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Because some anal-retentive jerks complained about "those damn kids" on their motocross bikes and what a big hazard they are. I have no problem with motocross bikes using the shoulder to get to the next trail opening.
Or a horse and buggy.
Whenever I pass a bunch of menonites on those country roads north of waterloo I always think it must be scary for them. I'm sure every once in a while someone not paying attention hits them. Farm tractors are huge and heavy, I would think a car ramming into one wouldn't be too bad.
The real problem is that the government doesn't have good definitions of what these actually are (and no enforcement on top of it)
IMO it should be like this:
E-bike: any bicycle with electric pedal assist. The motor is only activated when there is human input on the pedals. Motor does not assist past 32km/h. can still use bike lanes/operate under the same rules as a standard push bicycle. No insurance/licensing
Electric motorcycle/scooter: anything that can propel itself only using the electric motor. Need an conditional M series license, insurance, etc. Must follow the same rules a standard motorcycle/scooter.
IMO it should be like this:
E-bike: any bicycle with electric pedal assist. The motor is only activated when there is human input on the pedals. Motor does not assist past 32km/h. can still use bike lanes/operate under the same rules as a standard push bicycle. No insurance/licensing
Electric motorcycle/scooter: anything that can propel itself only using the electric motor. Need an conditional M series license, insurance, etc. Must follow the same rules a standard motorcycle/scooter.
JTR
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They don't just weigh more, they weigh 20x more. And the day a bicycle that weighs 120Kg can be pedaled to 32-60km/h then we should license those too.
TK4
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Agree wholeheartedly - now to try and get the Ontario guv to do something about it.
-Maverick-
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The Minister of Transportation needs to read this. You can create change if you want to.
E-mail:*jeff.yurekco@pc.ola.org
http://jeffyurekmpp.com/contact/
Contact him at the second link if you wish to do so anonymously. It would be impressive to see the law change to what is written here.
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Trials
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So I buy any one of these things and the peddle power can produce >900 watts or achieve a speed greater then 32kph and now I require an M license, plates and liability insurance :/ that's as dumb as the existing laws! If I have to peddle it to make it go, what difference does it make how fast it can travel or how many watts it produces :/ that is putting a cap on the advancement of human powered transportation technology. <- we need to get past all that before we will see any advancement of the technology.
... notice I use the term produce instead of consume, the rider is the thing generating the power not your local hydro generating station.
https://www.electricbike.com/2014-mid-drive/
... notice I use the term produce instead of consume, the rider is the thing generating the power not your local hydro generating station.
https://www.electricbike.com/2014-mid-drive/
No, not "any" one. The pedal assist models from reputable manufacturers such as my Giant, or Trek, Specialized, Kona will cut out the assist at the current legally mandated speed, Canada being 32kmh. Europe has tighter restrictions
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Trials
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Change the gear ratios and you don't need to "cut out" anything to make it go slower :/ still a dumb restriction when all you need is a speed limit in a given area where higher speed is a concern.
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Trials
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You lost me there :| You just described a speedometer
and I guarantee I can gear any bicycle down so it goes slower.
How hypocritical. As a group riders tend to be the first to ***** about it when the government tries to implement new laws governing our speed or behaviour. Yet because so many of you seem to have a hard on for ebikes, it is now magically perfectly acceptable for the government to do the very things you all ***** about. So many also complain about , (targeted), enforcement, (for say sport bikes), yet you insist upon a crack down because they are a group you despise!!!
One rider, complains about the ebikes using the "bike lanes", yet feels justified in using them on his bike "as long as no cyclist are around".... Talk about hypocritical.
Then many go on and on about how the owners are all, either convicted, Impaired drivers, (we don't have DUI in Canada), or scofflaws, who shouldn't be on the road, yet ***** when the general public generalizes "All sport bike riders" What is good for one is just as good for the other.
As one person so wisely pointed out once the ebikes hit a "critical mass", (just as happened with say pirated satellite signals), the government WILL step in and enact some form of legislation. Given Doug's insistence on smaller gov't, I doubt he will be rushing to implement new rules and restrictive rules.
One rider, complains about the ebikes using the "bike lanes", yet feels justified in using them on his bike "as long as no cyclist are around".... Talk about hypocritical.
Then many go on and on about how the owners are all, either convicted, Impaired drivers, (we don't have DUI in Canada), or scofflaws, who shouldn't be on the road, yet ***** when the general public generalizes "All sport bike riders" What is good for one is just as good for the other.
As one person so wisely pointed out once the ebikes hit a "critical mass", (just as happened with say pirated satellite signals), the government WILL step in and enact some form of legislation. Given Doug's insistence on smaller gov't, I doubt he will be rushing to implement new rules and restrictive rules.
Trials
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Murphy
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Well...The sobering voice of reason....yes. you are right.....and I let my frustrations with them and bicycles get me too hot under the collar....probably need to chill more....
I just wish we would ALL follow the rules of the road and be respectful and courteous riders and drivers
Mango Rider
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Hahahahahaha, that'll be the day. When the mentality of "hurry up and move, I need to get to A more importantly than you need to get to B" goes away. Goodluck with that in Toronto. "Big City" mentality...
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