It’s really comes down to which one speaks to you.I,m a new rider ( haven't in 30 yrs ) and looking at the bmw R NineT Pure and the Ducati Monster 821. Looking for any feedback on these models hope to buy one within next couple of weeks. Which one would you get any why? Thanks Tommy G
Heritage style bikes are sold on style, performance and comfort are secondary. Choose the bike that gives you the most wood (not us).Awesome insurance price is a concern as well as maint and reliabilty.
Thanks Tommy G
You don't believe a BMW is as dependable as a Yamaha or Kawasaki? you gotta be kidding.Heritage style bikes are sold on style, performance and comfort are secondary. Choose the bike that gives you the most wood (not us).
Any Euro bike will be a lot more expensive to maintain and repair than the alternatives, even if you do your own work. Parts are expensive, service locations limited -- dependability and operating costs aren't going to match the Yamaha and Kawi alternatives.
It's very hard to find a modern japanese bike with soul. That matters to me in a bike. That means I am drawn to euro bikes. Yes the japanese bike may be faster, it may be cheaper to operate and maintain, but it just doesn't do it for me (for the most part, there are a few exceptions).That is what I'm concerned about everyone keeps telling me stick to the big 4. I'm asking if anyone has had a issue or a reason not to get a Ducati, BMW or even Triumph. For what ever reason those brands seem to get me.
I believe these brands are desirable mainly because of marketing and exclusivity. You don't see as many of them on the road as compared to the Japanese bikes.That is what I'm concerned about everyone keeps telling me stick to the big 4. I'm asking if anyone has had a issue or a reason not to get a Ducati, BMW or even Triumph. For what ever reason those brands seem to get me.
I know BMWs are not as dependable.You don't believe a BMW is as dependable as a Yamaha or Kawasaki? you gotta be kidding.
The BMW has a dry clutch also, except it is hydraulic operated.... but get an R-bike and you're suddenly into weird Telelever/Paralever suspensions, horizontally opposed engines, single-sided swingarms mated to shaft drives, etc. Ducati's have Desmodromic valves, and the older models had trellis frames and dry clutches.
These bikes are truly engineered very differently and if you're a fan of owning and riding something out of the ordinary (not necessarily better), than these models are the bikes to look at.
They do some things better but there are also disadvantages.The BMW has a dry clutch also, except it is hydraulic operated.
Read "weird" as all good he listed from what I see, every one of those things does something good, not weird.
I was talking about technologies in general, not the R Nine T specifically. I'm aware it has forks.You are getting your BMW technology mixed up, the bike he is looking at has telescopic front forks, the telelever counter-acts rear wheel hop (jack-shafting)
True...oh and shaft drive on a motor that is already spinning longitudinally only makes sense, just as it makes no sense on one with a traverse motor.
However, in an R-bike, the flywheel and tire are spinning transversely to each other. You will get power loss either way from a shaft or chain. Whether the conversion happens at the flywheel or rear axle is academic. More weight penalty from a shaft than a chain.BMW longitudinal motors would suffer a power loss by using a chain