Downtown Toronto Riders

Said this on another thread, but _always_ get in front of cabs. Cut them off, bust out of the right lane on green, whatever you have to do to get ahead of them. It's your life.

Rules are not made to protect you, but to protect the interests of the people who made them. On a bike, as in life, follow them in so much as you must to get by, but it can be fatal to depend on them, or to depend on other people following them.
 
I have a whole new respect for you folks dealing with the pathetic driving habits of the cabbies downtown. Was driving up Jarvis towards Bloor in my cage this quiet sunday morning and in the span of 3 city blocks with no other traffic on the road I had a cabbie bust a U-turn in front of me without checking first to pick up a fare in the other direction. Two blocks further up while my light was green, another cab sailed through the red in front of me like it wasn't even there causing me to lock up and slide. I laid my horn as he rolled past my front bumper but he didn't even flinch, just had a stupid little smirk on his face like "O well, my bad".
I can't imagine riding a motorcycle in these circumstances doing maybe 10-15k faster speed if there would even be enough reaction time. My hats off to you guys/gals who put up with this crap on a regular basis. I've always heard the legend of the Toronto cabbies lousy driving skills but witnessing it firsthand was definitely an experience to behold! Next up, towtruck operators....

Must be a full moon or something. I had the same two things happen to me yesterday as well. Weird.
 
I remember my anatomy... keep your ******* behind you.

Honestly every light I burst in front of them if I can. And they are becoming less aggressive and usually let me in now :)
 
I remember my anatomy... keep your ******* behind you.

Honestly every light I burst in front of them if I can. And they are becoming less aggressive and usually let me in now :)

LESS aggressive? Lately I've seen far more cabbies straddling the line so that they can take whichever lane moves first, while stopping anyone behind from passing them. I've seen more of them pacing, to stop people from getting around them. "The U-turn of death" is still alive and well, and practised in Toronto. Right turns from left lanes. Left turns from right lanes. Splitting pedestrians in crosswalks. Reversing down one-way streets, to try and beat the law. Swerves from the fast lane to the curb lane followed by a panic stop, to pick up a fare.

All of this I've seen, in just the past two months.
 
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LESS aggressive? Lately I've seen far more cabbies straddling the line so that they can whichever lane moves first, while stopping anyone behind from passing them. I've seen more of them pacing, to stop people from getting around them. "The U-turn of death" is still alive and well, and practised in Toronto. Right turns from left lanes. Left turns from right lanes. Splitting pedestrians in crosswalks. Reversing down one-way streets, to try and beat the law. Swerves from the fast lane to the curb lane followed by a panic stop, to pick up a fare.

All of this I've seen, in just the past two months.

I ment in terms of fighting me at the light. But then maybe I have been getting a slightly better treatment due to being female?

I didnt say they were angels. I would be more than happy to eliminate taxis from TO streets entirely.
 
I like where you're going with this. When do we start eliminating them? *pets crowbar with creepy smile on face*
 
I like where you're going with this. When do we start eliminating them? *pets crowbar with creepy smile on face*
Whenever you are ready....
I wanna start my wall art of cabbie engine parts.... :P Just need a new pair of gloves... ripping apart engines is messy work :)
 
surprisingly, montreal seems like the best city for riding on the eastern seaboard. all drivers, except the random idiot who can't speak english show respect.
 
Perhaps all these cabbies are angry that they can't become doctors here and take out their frustrations on us?
 
lol even when I lane split on a red light in montreal, I have cars that slightly move out of the way so I can make my way to the front with ease.
 
i find slowing down below speed limit when cabbies are around helps... also ride as if they were gonna hit u helps too..
 
I had a cabbie pull out in front of my bike to turn left from a gas station while I was driving down a road with a clear right of way. I had to swerve to avoid the ****er and laid on my horn something fierce. As I recovered from the swerve and slowed down I realized there was a cop car going the opposite direction, waiting to turn into the gas station himself, who witnessed the whole thing. He immediately put on the siren and pulled the cabbie over. That was a glorious, glorious day. I hope he got charged to the max with careless/reckless driving.

This was around Bloor and Parkside.
 
Should've ran over and demanded to press charges for good measure. At the very least you would've made sure the taxi didn't walk away with a warning.
 
Should've ran over and demanded to press charges for good measure. At the very least you would've made sure the taxi didn't walk away with a warning.

You can't really "demand" to press charges since, unlike in the US, in Canada The Crown presses the charges. Sure, you can go through various convolutions to have charges pressed, yourself, but that's a different and much more complex issue.

Sticking around, to make sure that you can provide evidence for the police, is definitely a good idea.
 
You can't really "demand" to press charges since, unlike in the US, in Canada The Crown presses the charges. Sure, you can go through various convolutions to have charges pressed, yourself, but that's a different and much more complex issue.

Agreed... a cousin of mine was hit by a guy who blew a red. They guy stopped called 911 and basically was by her side asking how she was etc until they carted her off to the hospital and even checked in as she recovered. When she got her full mental ability back she decided that he had paid enough knowing what he had done and how bad he had hurt her. It was very hard for her to convince the cops not to press further charges and had to downright refuse to testify in order for them to drop the case. Its not totally your choice if and when charges are laid.
 
Three things you can't predict the actions of: cabbies, children, squirrels
 
eh you get use to it... i come across worse drivers outside of downtown... cabbies is another story... just keep your distance

Well said! I actually find it fun riding downtown, challenges my skill & it's actually safer, and way more fun, specially if you have a supermoto, with all the smaller roads, traffic and streets, the chances of getting in a really bad accident is much less then getting killed in the rest of GTA. Also, Cab drivers won't change if we complain, two things i do, keep distance from them, let them pass, and in downtown its safer driving slower then car traffic unlike rest of GTA, and always ride in the right lane because they always make quick left u-turns. other then that riding in down town is the closest anyone in Canada will get to european easy bike laws, like filtering with no one caring etc.

And some people wonder why I'm sporting a front and rear video camera on the bike, these days. Wish that I could side mount 'em too.

+1000000. im getting 4 this summer two for bikes front rear and 2 for my car, front and rear. why not the technology is there!

Perhaps all these cabbies are angry that they can't become doctors here and take out their frustrations on us?

On the contrary, most of these cab drivers live in half amillion to million dollar homes, with their families running two to three cabs within the family, most of them are people who came here temporarily till their children get educated and then they leave, and most of them are well educated people who have degrees and even masters of some sort, but yes there still are those few who are completely illiterate.

But a big fraction of these people are who just couldn’t get jobs, and needed money fast because of big families to support, because of their ethnicity they didn't get hired what they qualify for in their home countries either, I know this because I know a friend who’s father was from France, and he had a taxi business in France, and started driving here himself and expanded it to a 5 cars after he could not get a job in Toronto, then he left toronto after his son graduated, his son finished school from mcgill, his son is a very successful entrepreneur in Dubai now, owns a 3 million dollar home and several Ferrari's and lambos, while his father still runs his family taxi business in France which makes a killing too, and lives in a very pricey town of Paris. His father also had a b.comm from France.

And it’s false that cops don’t do any thing to cab drivers, cops biggest business in T-dot is taxis! It’s like cops getting up in the morning and cops are the cats, and the taxis are the mice, they just fill quotas by nabbing cabs all day long, and civilian drivers late at night after 1am, since cabs only move when people are there so after midnight it's civilian cars, so the nightshift police nabs civilians cars and rest of the time cabs.

And why cab drivers are “so desperate for a fare” like someone stated.

It’s because they lose a lot of money, by getting tickets all the time, into accidents,npeople use cabs like it’s a trash can, repairs because of the bad roads, and also not all cab drivers are cab owners, “most are” but not all, and those types who are not are the drivers who really drive aggressively, because they have to make at least $200 a day, to pay weekly renting of the cab from the corporation like BECK TAXI or something, and their rent per week is like 1000k or more, so sometimes, when people run away, stab them, and at the same time other drivers are fighting toget the same fare, and so many people these days don’t use cabs they walk, for them the guys who just drive a cab and rent it are the ones who have to drive like crazy people to get whatever they can, some drivers you’ll notice are not that desperate those are the kinds who actually own the license, cab, and have 3 or 4 family members driving at all times and have no expensive overhead or renting charge. And some owners hire new immigrants, and make them fill quotas just like cops to get paid, otherwise its cut from their pay.

So don't bother with those crazy ones, they get rapped by police tickets all day long!
 
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