Consumer Reports's 1st motorcycles report. You agree??

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Is Harley-Davidson the Worst Motorcycle Money Can Buy?

Is Harley-Davidson(NYSE: HOG)the worst motorcycle money can buy? Let's get this out of the way right now.No.
It's actually the second worst.
At least,according to Consumer Reports


Long a recognized authority on automotive quality and value for your money in cars, ConsumerReports began branching out to reviewing motorcycles last year, publishing its first-ever report on the most reliable motorcycles from five of the biggest brands -- Harley, BMW (NASDAQOTH: BAMXY ), Honda (NYSE: HMC ), Kawasaki, and Yamaha. (Polaris' (NYSE: PII )Victory and Indian brands had apparently not made enough of a dent in themarket to attract CR's attention by the time of the survey.) What CR discovered from its research is that quality varies "significantly" among brands-- and the best brand, Yamaha, is about six times more reliable than the worst, BMW.

Only about one Yamaha bike in 10 has experienced a major problem or required a serious repair over the past four years, according to the 4,424 motorcycle owners surveyed by CR. In contrast, about one BMW motorcycle in three has suffered from such a complaint -- and one Harley in four. Here's how the numbers break down:


Subtler variations in vehicle reliability were found within brands as well. CR categorized them according to "class" of motorcycle, noting that touring motorcycles were most problematic, and cruisers the least. This may have something to do with the fact that, according to CR,"accessories" were the most common problems encountered with bikes.Touring bikes, being designed for comfort in long-distance travel, are likely to be outfitted with more bells and whistles than a standard motorcycle -- and therefore have more accessories on them that can break.

% of bikes bought 209-2012, where problems were reported:
BMW ~ 30%
Harley ~23%
Honda ~14%
Kawi ~ 13%
Yamaha 11%

% of bikes experiencing problems by class:
Cruiser ~ 16%
Sport touring ~18%
On/Off road dual sport ~23%
Touring ~27%

The good news here is that Consumer Reports says major, big-ticket repairs were few and far between in its research. Regardless of bike and regardless of brand, only about 3% of all problems reported to CR involved a motorcycle's engine, only 3% a transmission, and only 7% a clutch. More common were issues with a vehicle's brakes or electrical or fuel system, and, as already mentioned, with the accessories. Overall, CR noted that about 75% of the repairs reported to it were performed for $200 or less.

What it means to you
That last fact, the low cost of repairing most motorcycle fix-its, may be the really important news for Harley-Davidson shareholders.

It may help to explain why -- Harley's weak performance on the survey not withstanding-- CR says Harley owners remain the most brand-loyal of all motorcycle owners, with an astounding 75% saying yes, they'd buy a Harley again. The occasional small repair bill may simply be a price they're willing to pay for owning the most famous name in motorcycles. (And it probably doesn't hurt that Harley goes the extra mileto take care of its customers when an issue with one of its bikes does arise.)



 

It may help to explain why -- Harley's weak performance on the survey not withstanding-- CR says Harley owners remain the most brand-loyal of all motorcycle owners, with an astounding 75% saying yes, they'd buy a Harley again. The occasional small repair bill may simply be a price they're willing to pay for owning the most famous name in motorcycles. (And it probably doesn't hurt that Harley goes the extra mileto take care of its customers when an issue with one of its bikes does arise.)




Ya no .

There are problems with the Vrod that spans several model years .They are related to the steering bearing and peeling paint on the brake/clutch reservoir .Harley has done nothing to change the problem.I love the engine and transmission they are bullet proof.But if you are coming off a jap bike .You will continually shake your head in disbelief .
 
Mmmh, out of curiosity,

Is this the report that came out one year ago? (march 2013, see here or many other websites: CMG )

OR

Is this a new report for 2014 (with new data)?
 
So, yet another format for reviewing and rating motorcycles that in the end will have about the same worth as all the current ones: **** can filler.

Buy what you like and learn to live with it. They all have problems, even if they are mostly minor.

That BMW's have a boat load of problems is not news. That they still sell a boat load of them regardless of those issues, many if not most to previous owners, is not news either.

Thanks CR, for SWF. Now go back to scaring women drivers.
 
More common were issues with a vehicle's brakes or electrical or fuel system, and, as already mentioned, with the accessories.
Overall, CR noted that about 75% of the repairs reported to it were performed for $200 or less.

I find the latter extremely hard to believe, unless they are counting the cost of warranty repairs as $0
 

Subtler variations in vehicle reliability were found within brands as well. CR categorized them according to "class" of motorcycle, noting that touring motorcycles were most problematic, and cruisers the least.

I laughed so hard at this.

Really Consumer Reports??? You think so? Could the possible explanation be because touring bikes actually get ridden while cruisers hang around Tim Hortons and Port Dover.
 
Mmmh, out of curiosity,

Is this the report that came out one year ago? (march 2013, see here or many other websites: CMG )

OR

Is this a new report for 2014 (with new data)?



Sorry if it is a repeat posting here.
I lost the link/location I originally got it from a few days ago so cannot say right now if it is the 2013 report or a new 2014 report.

VRODs also fill some breather housing filter thingy that get saturated with engine oil over time. Replacing the complete assembly is the only solution per someone I know that has put roughly 70,000 kms total on 2 VRODs. Also they had issues with a middle exhaust gasket repeatedly blowing. And a front tire issue. They were glad they purchased the extra warranty.
 
I laughed so hard at this.

Really Consumer Reports??? You think so? Could the possible explanation be because touring bikes actually get ridden while cruisers hang around Tim Hortons and Port Dover.



Sounds like a most rational explanation.
 
Lighten up.

Originally Posted: "Sounds like a most rational explanation."


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?????? :confused:
I was saying the poster seemed to be making a valid point.

"Keep Flowen man"
 
I have an older BMW, but I would not dream of buying a new one. The computer systems alone would drive me batty.

Modern fuel efficiency is important, to a point - but if I can't fix easy stuff myself I want nothing to do with it.
 
My bad, thought you were being sarcastic :)


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No problemo :)

Actually I never thought of the idea that many cruisers never really seem to get ridden very few miles until it was mentioned. That certainly would reduce the breakdown rate, in shop time needing repairs, for those kinds of bikes (or any kind that is not ridden long km's in a year).
 
VRODs also fill some breather housing filter thingy that get saturated with engine oil over time. Replacing the complete assembly is the only solution per someone I know that has put roughly 70,000 kms total on 2 VRODs. Also they had issues with a middle exhaust gasket repeatedly blowing. And a front tire issue. They were glad they purchased the extra warranty.

I`m sure Harley takes care of "thingy"problems . But the other stuff you mention I have not read on any Vrod forums .
 
I`m sure Harley takes care of "thingy"problems . But the other stuff you mention I have not read on any Vrod forums .



I mention them based on a friend who experienced these with his VROD. The dealer said there was a problem with the front tires for the VROD line (at least before 2013 - as I recall it). Then Harley changed brands. He had 3 front tires put on his 2011? VROD under warranty. No issues with his 2013.

They repaired the exhaust leak 2 times o his 2011. He has 100% stock bikes and is not an aggressive rider.


The thingy thing was the airbox I think. About $300. The crankcase breather filter assembly can not be replaced separately nor accessed.
It eventually becomes saturated with crankcase blowby oil that then overflows onto the bike.
 
No mention of SS and no Suzuki.

USELESS!!!!!
 
CR being the expert publication they are probably thinks that the power sports division exited North America along with the auto division.

I have a Suzuki and I love it.
 
The problem with this is that it shows the % of bikes with problems but not the volumes of bikes sold.
 
Ya no .

There are problems with the Vrod that spans several model years .They are related to the steering bearing and peeling paint on the brake/clutch reservoir .Harley has done nothing to change the problem.I love the engine and transmission they are bullet proof.But if you are coming off a jap bike .You will continually shake your head in disbelief .

Haha, so you're saying they are repeat customers because they've never given quality bikes a chance? I like that. xD
 
They don't seem to define what a 'problem' is and keep in mind that what is a problem to one, isn't necessarily for another. For example I've been told that BMW riders seem to consider the wrong colour of oil filter to be unacceptable.
 
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