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[QUOTE...OP practice makes perfect, there is no such thing as enough practice, even if you master certain drills, revisit every so often, there is no way this can be bad for you.[/QUOTE]

Enough said! I keep thinking of NBA players, baseball players, musicians, etc. Do they all not continue to "practice" their craft?
 
I'm in my 2nd season and yes i do, you can never be too skilled at low speed stuff. I live near Sherway Gardens Mall and the northeastern most corner of their parking lot is almost always empty and it's a nice large area to goof around in. I go there sometimes after their closing hours to mess around, especially anytime after i've just done any work on my bike just to shake things out and see how it feels. Several other riders go there quite often as well including cops who i have seen and talked to who ride there sometimes, seen them practicing as well. Security never seems to bother as long as there are no cars parked over there which is very rare as most shoppers are too lazy to walk 50 feet to their car, let alone 200 yards.

PS.. mmmnaked is a troll on here who acts like an expert on every topic and talks like he's the greatest rider of all time. He doesn't even fill his profile page in because he most likely doesn't even own a bike or ride. Ignore any posts from him/her/he-she

Damm, never thought about Sherway parking lots for some reason. We have had one parking lot "session" so far, but we went to some parking lot in Brampton. Will keep Sherway parking in mind for next time. It's always good to practice, especially in the spring, and especially if you crashed last season :(
 
Sherway is a good spot to practice your kill switch drills. And if you bring a friend you can have him push you around to get that practice as well!

Interesting that all of you who are crapping on my opinion only have a season of riding under your belts... you're encouraged to practice ;)
 
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I was thinking of actually re-going trough some of the slow exercises but with the gf in the back so she can get a better feel of what she should be doing while we ride.
 
Sherway is a good spot to practice your kill switch drills. And if you bring a friend you can have him push you around to get that practice as well!

Interesting that all of you who are crapping on my opinion only have a season of riding under your belts... you're encouraged to practice ;)

What does experience in riding have to do with practicing slow maneuvers? I put more mileage on my bike in one season more than a few friends who have been riding for 4 years. It is a matter of a principal. If you still don't get that then good luck in whatever you are doing just keep your opinions away from noobs like us who wish to master a particular aspect of riding. I am not sure I will ever change my mind about practicing no matter how many KMs I add to my belt.
 
Sherway is a good spot to practice your kill switch drills. And if you bring a friend you can have him push you around to get that practice as well!

Interesting that all of you who are crapping on my opinion only have a season of riding under your belts... you're encouraged to practice ;)

Keep trolling. Your wonderful "advice" will simply land you onto more ignore lists.
 
They're mostly new riders with only a season under their belts... it probably explains their "need" for parking lot practice.

I'd branch out beyond M1 exit drills... but what do I know Im just a troll.
 
If you ride everyday and use you bike for all daily commutes you will have all the parking lot and low speed manuvers you need.I have a v rod which is netorious for being a pig at anything under 20kmph but can flick it around without any problem simply because I use it to go everywhere and probably hit 5 parking lots a day.You may still ride daily but only for enjoyment running the roads with little need for low speed control.If so by all means practice where you don't normally ride.They say you will lose 25% of your riding skills after 3 months away from the bike and should ride at least 5000 miles of mixed riding a year to stay profishant.Any less and you are a born again newbie to some degree no matter how many years have been riding.At the begining of the year I curse and swear at both myself and the bike for the first few days because it's a pig and Im not used to it at low speed.
Some riders can corner like thier on rails because thats the type of riding the do the most for others It's low speed or stunting.Regardless there is always room for improvment in different areas for different people mine for example is cornering and I have been riding for 20yrs.I always laugh watching bike builders or dealers and mechanics duck walk bikes around the lot then get in thier cars and drive home.I JUST WANNA RIDE!!!!!!

Safety Videos

Watch them all but 001 Judgment explains this the issue also go to the Q&A section and look around this site may save your *** as it expains what not to do
http://www.msgroup.org/videos.aspx
http://www.msgroup.org/articles.aspx
check out the links under forums and case studies as well.There is a lot of information here

http://www.msgroup.org/default.aspx
 
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Parking lot practice is good after a winter layoff, to get your body back into it. Do I do parking lot practicing - no. I get enough of it commuting downtown and in parking lots. If you ride enough you probably do the drills over and over again. Nothing beats time on the bike.

The slow stuff in my M1 was just right turn, left turns, don't know if they even did u-turns. During my M2 exit an instructor said he could tell if people spent enough time on the bike, or just practiced up right before.

So hey if you are riding daily for 8 months of the year, you'll probably start to see you won't need the parking lot practice.

However, I'd still have to say that pylon weaving drill is great fun.
 
From "More Proficient Motorcycling":
<the author was talking with> a German motorcycle instructor who taught fast riding at the famous Nurburgring racing circuit. He went on to suggest that he could usually predict a rider's relative skill level by observing the students as they arrived for class: "Let me see a rider maneuvering around the parking lot, and I can tell you how good he is at higher speeds"

I usually do a couple of exercises:
1) weave through the lines/spots at various speeds
2) moving across a row of 10 or 20 parking spots, start and stop with the front wheel on each line (so, repeatedly start and stop in about the width of a car, or the length of a bike) without putting a foot down
3) do repeated figure 8's within 4 parking lot spots (a 2x2 rectangle), without touching the outside lines
4) straight-line hard braking. If there's a patch of sand available that's good too (I use this to work up to recovering from a locked front wheel)
5) tight circles in 2nd gear until the pegs scrape. I do this mostly to scrub in new tires

These are considerably more demanding than the M1 exit exercises, which as I recall weren't too strenuous. I'm usually pretty tired after 20 minutes of the above, since they all require very deliberate control inputs. In particular, the start/stop exercise requires firm inputs to both throttle and brake and the figure 8 exercise requires a lot of body positioning and lock-to-lock steering, rear brake control and good visual focus.

The point with any kind of practice is to find an exercise that is challenging to you, whatever your current skill level happens to be.
 
Practise them all the time, but it's usually while I demo on the actual course lol.

Although I don't practise how to turn my bike on and off or how to be pushed without the engine running by a friend, I do practise other skills we teach.

Slow manuevers are one of the most difficult things to master on a motorcycle.

I'd like to see some of you (probably most of you) get on your own 400lbs+ bike and go through those Z courses we have the students do. Man is that hard to do without hitting cones.

A lot of riders (even veteran ones) have no clue that the key to slow manuevers is:

a/ counter leaning
b/ elevated throttle
c/ rear brake
d/ controlling speed etc by modulating clutch in friction zone
e/ looking far, far, and yes even farther into turns etc than most are probably used to

We teach these things, excluding counter leaning, in the m1exit course.
Most people totally forget this though once they leave the course.
 
a/ counter leaning
b/ elevated throttle
c/ rear brake
d/ controlling speed etc by modulating clutch in friction zone
e/ looking far, far, and yes even farther into turns etc than most are probably used to

We teach these things, excluding counter leaning, in the m1exit course.
Most people totally forget this though once they leave the course.

I seriously hope not, because thats achingly rudimentary stuff that every rider should know and have a good grasp on.
 
They're mostly new riders with only a season under their belts... it probably explains their "need" for parking lot practice.

I'd branch out beyond M1 exit drills... but what do I know Im just a troll.

The thread was about a very specific aspect, and the answers were inline with that very specific question. Anything extra is a definite bonus including what you called "wrong" practice earlier. So you suggest to branch out beyond the M1 exit course drills yet not practice "wrong" stuff. I hope you can make up your mind for your own sake, I genuinely wish you the best in whatever you are trying to do, figure it out and good luck.

I find it interesting that so many people in this thread seem to think that "good", and "can't hurt" somehow translates to "necessary".

Is it necessary to practice a profession such as law for example in order to master it? Would that be good? And can it hurt?
 
Hmmm 43 years riding I'm still up for basic practice in particular how important rear brakes are. :rolleyes:

Given my photo shoots these day I do need some practice as I'm forever doing uturns and awkward pull outs from gravel etc.....oh yeah stopping with the front brake in gravel are you mm???

OP - practicing basics is always good and fun but one area not enough riders get some practice in is off pavement - dirt and gravel roads as much of your pavement knowledge does not translate.
Get some practice under controlled conditions so when gravel or dirt show up suddenly you have some idea how your bike handles. Just ride a few drive unpaved roads up around the escarpment and your confidence will go up quickly then you won't panic in an unexpected trip into dirt or gravel ( even unpaved shoulders present a challenge to the unprepared rider )
and learn in particular your rear brake. It's there for a reason and many riders go down right quick using the front on a slow turn. The physics will beat you every time.
 
Thing is, you can make all the m1exit drills more difficult just by increasing speed.

That tight right hander followed by the narrowing straight gets difficult when your accelerating mighty hard.

Or take it a step further and go through that drill at speed instead of starting from a stop. You need to be an amazing rider keep your tires within the lines while at speed. In order to place your tires in an area with less than a foot on each side of your tire is pretty hard. Especially when your eyes should be kept up and looking through the turn and traveling at speed.

Slaloms could also get difficult if your dragging a knee and transferring from left to right properly. We space the cones 5m apart.

Of course you'd need to broaden your knowledge and techniques past the basics we teach in the course. But I'm sure everyone understands why we don't teach advanced or even some intermediate techniques in a 2 day + 3 hour in class course. You could still use the same drills to practice a decent to good amount of advanced techniques however.

I do agree with mmmnaked that eventually you will have to branch out from the exact drills we do in the beginners course. But I still think that it would be near impossible to master all of those drills with only one season (especially seeing as ours is so limited). Your one hell of a rider if you did that.

So in the end, I both agree and disagree. And I'd really like to see mmmnaked masterfully handle his motorcycle at super slow speeds. The way you write it sounds like your a really good rider bud!

End rant.
 
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Thing is, you can make all the m1exit drills more difficult just by increasing speed.

That tight right hander followed by the narrowing straight gets difficult when your accelerating mighty hard.

Or take it a step further and go through that drill at speed instead of starting from a stop. You need to be an amazing rider keep your tires within the lines while at speed. In order to place your tires in an area with less than a foot on each side of your tire is pretty hard. Especially when your eyes should be kept up and looking through the turn and traveling at speed.

Slaloms could also get difficult if your dragging a knee and transferring from left to right properly. We space the cones 5m apart.

Of course you'd need to broaden your knowledge and techniques past the basics we teach in the course. But I'm sure everyone understands why we don't teach advanced or even some intermediate techniques in a 2 day + 3 hour in class course. You could still use the same drills to practice a decent to good amount of advanced techniques however.

I do agree with mmmnaked that eventually you will have to branch out from the exact drills we do in the beginners course. But I still think that it would be near impossible to master all of those drills with only one season (especially seeing as ours is so limited). Your one hell of a rider if you did that.

So in the end, I both agree and disagree. And I'd really like to see mmmnaked masterfully handle his motorcycle at super slow speeds. The way you write it sounds like your a really good rider bud!

End rant.

Im good enough and confident enough to not need to practice basic riding skills from the M1 exit course. I think everyone should be at that level after their first or maximum second season. Dont we "practice" this stuff every single time we ride anyway?
 
Im good enough and confident enough to not need to practice basic riding skills from the M1 exit course. I think everyone should be at that level after their first or maximum second season. Dont we "practice" this stuff every single time we ride anyway?
{jealoushater}

do you also have a chauffeur for the bike

{/jealoushater}
 
No thats stupid.

I have a support crew follow me around in a G63.
 
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