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2022 MotoGP Discussion (No Links - Contains Spoilers!)

Chaos

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New thread for a new season!

Here are the teams and riders for this year:

Factory Aprilia:
Aleix Espargaro - RS-GP Factory
Maverick Vinales (9 MotoGP wins; 4 Moto2 wins; Moto3 champion) - RS-GP Factory

Factory Ducati:
Jack Miller (3 MotoGP wins; 6 Moto3 wins) - GP22 Factory
Pecco Bagnaia (4 MotoGP wins; Moto2 champion) - GP22 Factory

Gresini Ducati:
Enea Bastianini (Moto2 champion) - GP21 Spec
Fabio Di Giannantonio (1 Moto2 win; 2 Moto3 wins) - GP21 Spec

VR46 Ducati:
Luca Marini (6 Moto2 wins) - GP22 Factory
Marco Bezzecchi (3 Moto2 wins; 3 Moto3 wins) - GP21 Spec

Pramac Ducati:
Jorge Martin (1 MotoGP win; 2 Moto2 wins; Moto3 champion) - GP22 Factory
Johann Zarco (2x Moto2 champion) - GP22 Factory

Factory Honda:
Marc Marquez (6x MotoGP champion; Moto2 champion, 125cc champion) - RC213V Factory
Pol Espargaro (Moto2 champion) - RC213V Factory

LCR Honda:
Taka Nakagami (2 Moto2 wins) - RC213V Factory
Alex Marquez (Moto2 champion; Moto3 champion) - RC213V Factory

Factory KTM:
Brad Binder (2 MotoGP wins; 8 Moto2 wins; Moto3 champion) - RC16 Factory
Miguel Oliviera (3 MotoGP wins; 2 Moto2 wins; 6 Moto3 wins)- RC16 Factory

Tech3 KTM:
Remy Gardner (Moto2 Champion) - RC16 Factory
Raul Fernandez (8 Moto2 wins; 2 Moto3 wins) - RC16 Factory

Factory Suzuki:
Joan Mir (MotoGP champion; Moto3 champion) - GSX-RR Factory
Alex Rins (3 MotoGP wins; 4 Moto2 wins; 8 Moto3 wins) - GSX-RR Factory

Factory Yamaha:
Fabio Quartararo (MotoGP champion) - M1 Factory
Franco Morbidelli (3 MotoGP wins; Moto2 champion) - M1 Factory

RNF Yamaha:
Andrea Dovizioso (15 MotoGP wins; 125cc champion) - M1 Factory
Darryn Binder (1 Moto3 win) - M1 2021 Spec


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2023 Silly Season:


Factory Aprilia:

Aleix Espargaro - confirmed
Maverick Vinales - confirmed

RNF Aprilia:
Miguel Oliveira
Raul Fernandez?
Celestino Vietti?
Darryn Binder?

Factory Ducati:
Pecco Bagnaia - confirmed
Jorge Martin?
Enea Bastianini?

Gresini Ducati:
Alex Marquez - confirmed
Fabio Di Giannantonio - confirmed

VR46 Ducati:
Luca Marini?
Marco Bezzecchi?

Pramac Ducati:
Jorge Martin?
Enea Bastianini?
Johann Zarco?

Factory Honda:
Marc Marquez - confirmed
Joan Mir?

LCR Honda:
Alex Rins
Taka Nakagami?
Ai Ogura?

Factory KTM:
Brad Binder - confirmed
Jack Miller - confirmed

Tech3 KTM:
Remy Gardner?
Pol Espargaro?

Factory Yamaha:
Fabio Quartararo - confirmed
Franco Morbidelli - confirmed
 
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PaisaMed

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22 riders, 5 rookies, that's good for moto gp!
 

250R-ICE

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Curious why would Darryn Binder get a GP seat when there are others out there with alot more potential?
Dont know much about him maybe I'm missing something here. But only one Moto 3 win and he's good enough to move up?
Should of just kept Lecuona in MotoGP and offered him the seat.
 

Chaos

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Curious why would Darryn Binder get a GP seat when there are others out there with alot more potential?
Dont know much about him maybe I'm missing something here. But only one Moto 3 win and he's good enough to move up?
Should of just kept Lecuona in MotoGP and offered him the seat.

Speculation is that Binder had a contract that was somehow tied to Razali. Because the only entity left with Razali is the MotoGP team (since both Moto2 and Moto3 teams went away), it was cheaper to honour the contract than to buy him out. Under more conventional circumstances, there's no way Binder would have gotten the seat. Interestingly, All of Dovi, Binder and even RNF have 1 year contracts. There is a possibility it will all go away next season.

I think RNF will somehow remain and get floated by Yamaha, but there is a real possibility that both Dovi and Binder will not be with the team beyond the upcoming year. Yamaha are making signals at wanting to build a rider pipeline (e.g. the moto2 team), so the next logical step is to do what KTM (Tech3) and Ducati (Pramac) are doing and fund a secondary team to bring in contracted talent. I think Yamaha is going to heavily pursue Raul Fernandez, and they are going to have to put him somewhere.
 

Priller

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I think Yamaha is going to heavily pursue Raul Fernandez, and they are going to have to put him somewhere.

Based on his comments, I think Fernandez also very much wants to be on a Yamaha. They seem to be following the script of wantaway Euro football players at the moment, with a drip feed of 'sources' and negative comments hoping to become enough of a PR nightmare to force their way out without being so much as to damage the player/rider 'brand'.

KTM is not Yamaha, though, and may not respond like Iwata did to Vinales' antics. Letting riders out of their contracts blows up everything they've built around this whole 'pipeline' model, so like the petro-toy football clubs that can afford to let unhappy stars languish to prove a point, I could see them digging in here.

It'll be fascinating to see who blinks first, as the whole model of locking in younger riders in exchange for access to better machines has never been tested like this...
 

Chaos

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I heard/read that Fernandez only has 1 year left of his contract. Not sure why he'd stir so much **** up for 1 year, unless his contract is for longer than 1 year (hard to find info on it). Truthfully, I don't see any other factory changing their mind on him based on his tech3 results (unless he gets smashed by Gartner)
 

Priller

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I heard Honda and Quartararo were also eyeing each other across the dance floor, but you never know how much of that is contractual posturing in the media, as according to Carlo Pernat, Fabio wants €20M from Yamaha.

I'd expect the bigger names to have 2023 plans worked out pretty early to lock down the best seats. Unless Suzuki comes up with some big leaps forward this year, Mir seems almost certain to move elsewhere. It was no secret in the paddock that he was very frustrated with their lack of progress in 2021.
 

Chaos

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I heard Honda and Quartararo were also eyeing each other across the dance floor, but you never know how much of that is contractual posturing in the media, as according to Carlo Pernat, Fabio wants €20M from Yamaha.

I'd expect the bigger names to have 2023 plans worked out pretty early to lock down the best seats. Unless Suzuki comes up with some big leaps forward this year, Mir seems almost certain to move elsewhere. It was no secret in the paddock that he was very frustrated with their lack of progress in 2021.

I don't have high hopes for Suzuki this year. Once they fall off pace, it takes them a ton of time to get it back since they don't have as much money to throw at problems - they have to be much more thoughtful. Consider the squat device this year.

I think Honda, KTM (can't get any worse!) and Ducati will improve. Suzuki and Aprilia will drop. I am not yet sure about Yamaha. Seems performance controversy always surrounds Yamaha, yet the bike still win races.
 
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Chaos

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My current rider ratings:

Marc Marquez
Fabio Quartararo
Joan Mir
Pecco Bagnaia
Franco Morbidelli
Jorge Martin
Jack Miller
Miguel Oliviera
Brad Binder
Alex Rins
Maverick Vinales
Johann Zarco
Enea Bastianini
Raul Fernandez
Pol Espargaro
Alex Marquez
Andrea Dovizioso
Aleix Espargaro
Remy Gardner
Taka Nakagami
Luca Marini
Marco Bezzecchi
Fabio Di Giannantonio
Darryn Binder

Random thoughts:

1. I put Marquez on top despite his injuries. 2022 will be a pivotal year for him. we will soon see if he will get back to 100% health. Even at less than 100% last year, he still won 3 races.

2. IMO, Raul Fernandez will be the top of this year's rookie class, unless KTM delivers another dog bike, then you will see the Ducati rookies put up better results. They will all have the GP21 which is a solid bike. I might be overrating Fernandez, but he won a lot of races for a rookie in the class.

3. My italian bias is probably coming up with Morbidelli, but i am pretending that last season didn't happen for him. Between being saddled with a 2 year old bike, then a serious injury, i'll give him a pass for last season. I will admit though I expected more performance from him in the 2nd half of the season.

4. My list favours championships over wins; it was tough to rank Bagnaia lower than Mir. Bagnaia was terrific last season but he was sufficiently behind early in the season where winning the championship was unrealistic, and when it did become somewhat realistic, he crashed. it takes a lot of mental fortitude to win a championship.
 
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Priller

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Well, ended with a whimper, not a bang. Glad the Saudi princes are kept to F1 for the moment, though I'm sure Dorna is working hard to get a piece of that massive pie.

Considering there isn't a European football club left without either online gambling or crypto sponsorship, I'm really surprised the GP grid isn't awash in weird logos for companies none of us will have heard of. Bitci sponsors a round, so it's not like there's any moral compunction about it...
 

Priller

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I'm always amazed at how even satellite teams can make a go without a main sponsor. Gresini seems to make enough just by being on the grid to not be fussed about losing FlexBox. I'd be curious just how a MotoGP team gets funded, and how much revenue comes from each source (TV/streaming, series support, track appearance, sponsorship, factory support, rider support, etc.)

As for Marquez, it sounds like he's on pace to be a factor this season, though Honda is apparently starting to hedge their bets on bike development, trying to chase Ducati's incredible grip levels and make a bike less singular to Marquez's wants. The real question will be whether Marc will stay healthy with his relentless crashing, I think...
 

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I'm always amazed at how even satellite teams can make a go without a main sponsor. Gresini seems to make enough just by being on the grid to not be fussed about losing FlexBox. I'd be curious just how a MotoGP team gets funded, and how much revenue comes from each source (TV/streaming, series support, track appearance, sponsorship, factory support, rider support, etc.)

I thought this was an interesting site:


It's a MotoGP sponsorship calculator. You input the parameters and levels of your sponsorship, things like which class (MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3), what level of success the team is currently having (regular podium, top 10, just lined up on the grid), how big you want your logo, do you want the team to change their name to reflect your sponsorship, etc. Then it spits out what it would cost for that level of sponsorship.

It's in Italian, so you may have to run Google Translate on it.

Long story short, the biggest names in sponsorship are paying around 10M Euros a year.
 

Chaos

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I'm always amazed at how even satellite teams can make a go without a main sponsor. Gresini seems to make enough just by being on the grid to not be fussed about losing FlexBox. I'd be curious just how a MotoGP team gets funded, and how much revenue comes from each source (TV/streaming, series support, track appearance, sponsorship, factory support, rider support, etc.)

I'll have to find the article, but the money that the satellite teams get from Dorna basically cover the costs of the bike lease. It also seems more and more popular for factories to give rider contracts to satellite riders, saving more money for the satellite team.

In the case of Gresini, since Flex-Box was a Ducati family sponsor, I have to believe that Ducati is now subsidizing them (I equate it to how KTM is sponsoring Tech3 after the latter lost Red Bull). Also, with Gresini losing the Aprilia works relationship, I am guessing that Dorna gave them a little extra. They will keep them afloat for a few years, but Gresini will eventually have to figure out how to fund their team on their own (I give them 3 years). Gresini has pulled out of Moto3 so that tells me that they are counting their money carefully.
 

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