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With a combined income of $120k living paycheque to paycheque isn't living sensibly. BTW any job that you can lose to outsourcing....how can you consider that secure?

1st term 40% 2nd 50% 3rd 60% 4th 70% 5th 80% Of journeymen wage. Varies by company. But I would say absolute lowest $25 an hour which is too low for skilled labour. Union rate is $36 ish I think? Its 1800 hours per term, 3 terms of school. 8 weeks for the first, 10 each for the other 2...

My boss likes to include the % on every paycheck....*******.

Or you can rack up 30k in tuition costs and get a job making 35k a year if your lucky. BTW...I never once sat at home during my apprenticeship. Get in with a decent company and they will give the eager apprentice hours over the lazy, overpaid journeymen. Even my mom takes courses working...

My minimum wage job covered food and rent as well as the rest of my basics. If one of those parents was laid off, and they were just getting by to begin with a drop down to $15 an hour for 6 months isn't exactly a stretch is it? What other options do they really have? Did you actually think...

What support system is really needed? Bought a cheap but reliable car.....sold all the toys....worked 60 hours a week.

Sometimes its a good idea to get a decent job BEFORE filling the mailbox with bills. I wouldn't say someone "cant catch a break" because they dropped out of school and had kids.

I was making 60k, before OT, prior to taking near minimum wage to change carriers. Some of us do have a grasp on reality......speaking from actual experience.

Laid off? With no job? Unemployment pays $500 a week while you go to trade school. The rest of your apprenticeship is spent working.....which comes with a pay cheque. + The family, kids, bills.....not exactly out of ones control.

Def. not a fair comparison.....we have it pretty tough.

Give one circumstance that would prevent someone from getting a trade that is completely out of their control.

Actually when you complete trade school you should be making fully journeymen rate.....or at least vary soon after.

Sorry to break it to you, they just didnt want your junk. They can afford a condo on front st. im sure they have their own toaster. Oddly enough my snow tires were getting better traction on the snow covered roads this morning than you summer tires. Good scam.

You cant seem to grasp the idea that life isn't always easy. Trade school is full of middle aged men and women with families. Those who feel they cant make the change, well, they put themselves in that position. Its funny you keep trying to point out my ignorance towards the subject but it...

By putting in some effort and stop looking for handouts. You get paid to learn a trade. You want a to get $60,000 when you don't have the skills? You aren't going to make it far...

Where did anyone say that? Stop looking for "the magic ticket"...........there isn't one.

Well I guess you would be the expert so I will take your word for it.

Do you know how much trade school costs? I cant see how anyone past could have put them in a position where they couldn't get a trade. Poor choices? Maybe.

"Limited edition, cant get steel wheels to fit over my big brakes" cant afford a second set of wheels + tires.

Get a better job?