If it weren’t spinning, wouldn’t my car be pulling to that side hard?
I guess I could also mark the front wheels, move my car a bit and see if the marks move the same. Or even just do that on the one wheel and see if it moves.
What's going on with this tire?
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I guess I could also mark the front wheels, move my car a bit and see if the marks move the same. Or even just do that on the one wheel and see if it moves.
Cameras are everywhere now. You could just put your phone recording in your driveway and drive past in each direction. Your brakes will be fine but it's an easy test. Honestly, felling for resistance while rotating by hand ins a better test though. On pavement, it is really hard for a sticky brake to lock a wheel. On ice/snow, maybe.
Mad Mike
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While running down the road I'll agree.
Lexus uses drum-in-hat style parking brakes. If you don't use them regularly, any application of the handbrake may give you a nasty lockp... enough to drag a wheel.
Relax
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I agree with the rocket science part. But some people are oblivious to noticing something wrong (not saying OP, could have been anyone driving the car). Remember this guy?
SMIDSY
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Hopefully you isolate the root cause. It shouldn't be that hard to source.
You said it was on the winter tire that was taken off last year and not noticed until now. What kind of shape are your warm weather tires in? I'm assuming they are ok or there would have been some mention of it - unless I missed that bit. I'm thinking the car was driven with the parking brake engaged and that tire was your sacrificial lamb.
If you have had a seized caliper, I think you would have noticed it. You would have smelled burning brake pads, well at least until they wore out completely, then an awful bit of squealing. The a front caliper seize would really throw off your steering and braking and a rear would make the car feel like you are dragging something.
There are a few more scenarios here but like @ToSlow said, this isn't rocket science so finding the issue should be pretty straight forward.
As for the AWD, I hate to be the bearer here but it is very important that the tire circumference are reasonably equal among all 4 tires. Mixing new with warn tires will stress the transfer case potentially causing a much larger issue. Some will scoff at this advice. If you are uncertain, YouTube is your friend and you will find I was trying to be a kind soul.
For what it's worth, if you are staring down the barrel of a full new set I would like to turn you on to the Michelin Cross Climate all weather tire. I have had these for the past year. Handling and performance are incredibly good. In the winter (last winter was a good test), it has been the best performing winter tire I have had. I have used all the top brand winter tires including the Blizzak, X-Ice, Yokohama IceGuard and Firestone Winterforce. The Blizzak were great for one season and absolute rubbish for the rest of the life. I would never buy the Firestone again either. The X-Ice and IceGuard were really good. The Cross Climate is taking the cake for me. Rotate every 10k and carry on.
I am a research hound and really believe that tires are the second most important safety feature on a vehicle. You being the first. I do my best to buy the best tires I can afford. Of the 5 vehicles in the house, now 3 are on the Cross Climate. The other 2 will be when they need tires.
I put on cc2's for a long trip south in the winter and left them on when we got back home as there wasn't much winter left. Imo, while they have a snowflake, on ice, there was a huge drop in performance from xice. Living near barrie, I wouldnt want to use them year round. Now, if I was closer to Toronto, they are a great option that ticks the box for insurance and saves needing to store and swap a second set.
Vastly different experience from yours but I'm in the GTA. In heavy snow they have been extremely good. Stopping distance and surefooted handling have been great in slippery conditions and ice too.
What some may have missed is this is a winter tire that was just going on the car... meaning it came off like this (and was not noticed in spring) and the same car has been driving around spring/summer/fall with other tires.... SO, check the tires that came off for any damage, if they are all good and the car was being driven it reduces the likelyhood (does not eliminate it) this is a problem with the vehicle vs a bad tire (if one of them has damage, well...). Shifted/broken belt is what it looks like and the OP should buy a lottery ticket it did not let go when driving before it came off!
It is still a good idea to check over the vehicle, there is still a non-zero possibility a brake temporarily seized. Different rims, maybe this one rubs on something or got stuck/jammed vs summers (for example summers have more clearance and a stone got wedged between the smaller winter rims and the caliper). Alignment or suspension is unlikely if the summers are all good.
It is still a good idea to check over the vehicle, there is still a non-zero possibility a brake temporarily seized. Different rims, maybe this one rubs on something or got stuck/jammed vs summers (for example summers have more clearance and a stone got wedged between the smaller winter rims and the caliper). Alignment or suspension is unlikely if the summers are all good.
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That's good advice. We'll double check the tires that came off again. I know my brother went over the set of tires that just went on, extra carefully after he noticed the first problem.
Ugh. That is bad news.
What does "reasonably equal" mean? I don't think my winters are anything close to new, but maybe I'll check tread depth.
I expected the tire shop to try and sell me a full new set, but they didn't even ask. Maybe they were just in a rush to get through their tire swaps, but that doesn't seem likely.
I know, it's an expensive bit of kit when you dont expect it.
Apparently within 4/32nds.
Or about 1/8"
Relax
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Yup, I completely missed that.
My experience was confirmed today. Touch the brakes and ABS goes nuts. Tire pressure was checked last week. Snow tires are going on later today. Maybe different cars respond differently to these tires. They do have the snowflake which is what the insurance company wants on (after Dec 1).
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Night and day. Performance is not even in the same ballpark. No abs interventions with xice (and it may be the last year for this set).
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Priller
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Same for us. Have had ours on for a year now, and they were fantastic all through the heavy snow last winter. The data on them I've seen is they perform virtually identically to proper snows from 0 down to about -8ish, then the added silica in the proper snows means they start to edge ahead, more and more as the temperature drops. The flip side is apparently they're marginally better in that slushy 'just over freezing' zone. In other words you pick your trade-offs, but for the weather we see in Hamilton they're just about perfect. Not having to swap tires twice a year and stash the unused set is gravy.
The only negative I've found is that when they lose grip, it happens faster than the X-Ice we had on the Civic. Feels like more of a lurch rather than a gradual letting go. Not sure if that's down to the difference in vehicle or a product of the tread and they way they make grip in the snow.
My experience with all-weather tires (Nokian) has also been very good. Again Southern Ontario....
When I buy a car I will get a set of snows and swap. Once the two sets wear out (usually about the same time...), I go all-weather and one set--no point in buying two sets of tires at that point.
When I buy a car I will get a set of snows and swap. Once the two sets wear out (usually about the same time...), I go all-weather and one set--no point in buying two sets of tires at that point.
Part of the reason I stay with similar replacement vehicles is I can reuse wheels. There are a few popular bolt patterns that give you quite a few options in vehicles. Makes it easier for me to find a replacement car they fit and easier to sell as the market is bigger. Some bolt patterns have a very limited pool of vehicles.
I go through more tires than my wife. She goes through way more brakes and gas than I do. For her vehicles, normally one set of all-season and one set of snows lasts as long as she keeps it. For my cars, I normally go through two sets of all-season and ~three sets of snows. When the snows get tired, I leave them on for the summer and replace with new in the fall. Normally, I replace vehicles at about 250-350K and she replaces hers closer to 200K.
Could be type of vehicle and location or drivng style (I'm aggressive and heavy footed unless circumstances dictate otherwise - winter usually dictates otherwise).
I was going to mention that since I have had the Cross Climate, I have never had my ABS engage.
The first time I noticed this was very confidence inspiring. Downhill, icy conditions sudden stop needed and I fully expected slide and ABS. Instead, vehicle stopped much sooner than anticipated. Controlled, no slip, no ABS. I have been in the same situation hundreds of times before. I asked myself, did that really happen?
FWIW, my daily is a CX5 with AWD. Best vehicle I have ever owned, but that's clearly not on topic.
